This hand happened about a week ago but I'm still not sure what the right play is....


Hero ($700) in MP: Just sat down about an orbit ago, V is a reg but he plays every hand and is probably Level 1 thinker so whatever he sees me as doesn't really matter.

V ($1400) in SB: Looks like he's about 45, near 100% VPIP, limp/calls almost ATC and position doesn't matter to him. When he raises pre it's usually a big hand. Check/calls a lot, pretty much a station.

Hero dealt AA

Folds to me, I raise to $25, folds to V who calls, BB folds.

Flop ($55): 789

V checks, hero bets $40, V quickly c/r to $140. Hero?


I almost checked this flop to see what he would do on the turn, and I think he's firing almost any turn card, so what are we doing here....he could have TT+, set, two pair, flush draw, just about anything, but since he is OOP his c/r looks pretty strong with these stack sizes.

Easy fold as played. There are a ton of value combos that beat you, not to mention his draws wil all have decent equity against you. Half the cards in the deck will be bad anyways, and you have no backdoor draws.

In this situation i would have preferred a flop check back, since this flop is pretty terribad for AA. Check flop and reval turn.

I think this V is too much of a calling station to check the flop, just wasn't expecting the c/r...

Well there's your answer! Calling stations dont raise without having "it"

Betting flop is best against this type of player. He'll check/call most hands that you're ahead of and check/raise with hands that have us beat and maybe big draws that we're flipping with. And because of this we should fold to the raise.

This is generally one of the worse flops you can lay eyes on with AA, other than a JT9 two-suited flop. Easy fold, your stack is pretty deep and you're not committed.

We don't have blockers, so there are some draws in his range. Nevertheless, when a station raises $100 on top, 1pr does not seem to be enough. We are 140 bbs eff.

I'd make a nitty fold and feel good about it.

This is a very wet board. Snap fold imo.

With boards like this, I like to chk flop to maintain pot control. If V bets turn, make call and re-evaluate otr.

def fold flop............... 25 is abet people will often call at 2/5 w any PP hoping to mine....

Raise Aces more IMO your in MP if you want to get called by 10 10 + you need to raise bigger. 25 Pre flop doesn't give you much info and begs medium strength drawing hands to call. Bet at least 40 and maybe atelast 50 against that specific villan imo your not going to win multiway and need to isolate. Esp from MP. if your on button and its folded around 25 would be ok I suppose. More importantly against this type of villan you dont want to let him draw cheap. Id put him on a set w or possibly a pair and a open ender there so good fold.

i agree with everyone that its a relatively easy fold. If we call, what is the plan on the turn when he fires? even more reason to fold flop.
Is 25 your normal open from MP?

Ok, so consensus seems to be fold, which is what I did. Couple others I ran this by said call flop and see if he slows down on the turn. Felt a bit nitty at the time against this particular V since his range is so wide.

$25 is my normal open if there are no limpers and I'm in MP/LP. From EP I probably make it $30-35 with no limpers.

I'm not sure you want to have $170 of your $700 stack committed on this monsoon flop. If Hero does call the $140, what does he do when staring down a $250-275 (half Hero's stack) bet on the turn?

Fold. He probably checks back his overpairs or missed combo draws on the turn. That's why I folded though.

Yep. You either win a small pot here or get stubborn and lose a big one.

Against this villain - a station who can give you 2 streets of value or more with any piece of this flop AND for whom a c/r is going to be much stronger than average on this texture - the flop is a very straightforward bet/fold.

Against most other villains, I would check back this flop. These aren't the droids you're looking for.

Grunch.

His range is so draw heavy. If he'll play a FD and OESD this way then we're 51:49 against that range, and you could just put it in now instead of flatting (given your stack size) and waiting until the turn since you're going to hate the vast majority of turn cards when he shoves, which is likely...Or, flat and call shove or check behind on a bricked turn where we're at worst a 55:45 favorite if he'll shove 2p+ and all draws. Our equity is even better at 58:42 - if he'll stack off with over pairs in addition to the above. I actually prefer option 2 since we'll get out money in better, provided he'll play his draws aggressively. Otherwise, I'd fold the flop.

There are many problems with this approach.

The obvious one is that he's fairly likely to fire again on the turn, and you won't know if it's because he made his hand, he already made it (i.e. a set), or he's continuing to fire with a worse - but probably high equity - hand.

The second one and also pretty obvious is that there are SO many optically bad cards for you on the turn. Problem is, you don't know what of them are actually bad. Any 5, 6, T or J could complete a straight. Any could complete a flush. That's somewhere around 21-23 cards. Obviously some of those cards () are scarier than others (5), but none are good.

So given texture, that you will likely face another bet, that nearly literally half the deck is bad for you, think it's a good fold and calling is just pretty meh.

Pretty much my exact thought process on this hand.

Not betting flop is bad and misses value against anyone his 1 pair plus straight draws etc. def folding this though after he check raises. You beat no value hands and have to real way to improve.

With the bdfd I'm way more willing to call.

If a guy is 100% vpip, you need to find out how large a raise he will call. This is an awesome situation to be in. You want to bet at least 11% to 15% of effective stacks to keep him from having implied odds to call with ATC. You have to know what situations he folds in so that post flop, you can get him to fold if you want to. I cant answer this thread because there is not enough info on the villain. If it were me, I would have had a plan before I got dealt AA on what to do against this guy with a big hand, and it would not have included a mere $25 pre flop giving him implied odds to call with ATC. As played, I would keep the pot below $400 to deny him implied odds against AA. It would be impossible for you to do this if you call, so fold. A check on the flop and a delayed cbet or call on the turn makes it allot easier.

Hand looks fine. Against an aggro player checking back the flop is good, but describing this guy as stationy makes it a clear b/f.

NH.