Ok i have not read the spoiler, but I found this thread interesting so here are my thoughts:
Pre - I like 3betting for pretty similar reasons to the ones you mentioned op. I probably would have sized it at $100 though just to give him a little worse odds since our hand is not that strong.
Flop - Well, there's a lot of things to consider on this flop. My first instinct is yuck - one thing we wanted our 3bet to accomplish was to generate more fold equity on the flop. But that's totally out the window now. Virtually any hand with a
and of course any hand with a q or better is never folding. However, I don't hate the showdown value of our hand right now. We beat all
x hands that aren't jj
or tt
or q w/ a
. And I think it's reasonable to believe he called us preflop with a wide range that
could include any pair, lots ax hands, and maybe even a hand like JTs. Thus, I like going with a check/shove line. I don't like cbetting because we don't have enough FE nor do we have a hand with great equity. I don't like check/folding either because he can easily bet any
x hand or a total airball when checked to. In fact, you could even argue that he'd check a decent % of his qx hands when checked to which would weight his flop betting range to a lot of hands we beat. So again, I like a check/shove. And hey, there's no shame in it going check/check. I'm not excited about putting any more money into the pot w/ this hand. If the board runs out bad and we have to check/fold a later street, I'm not gonna be upset about that.
As Played - Alright if you're going to cbet, I hate your bet sizing. Something you asked in the thread....
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garick
What are the advantages (aside from "getting away cheaper when we fold") of the 1/2 pot bet on this board?
First thing I recognize about this hand is that if villain has caught any piece of the board, he's basically not folding regardless of the bet size. If he has the A
or the K
or any Q or even a hand like JJ
, it doesn't make much of a difference if you bet $90 or if you bet $150, he's calling either way. So my plan in these situations would be to bet a number which leaves me clearer decisions on later streets - or in this case since we don't have a lot of chips behind - clearer decisions if he shoves. You can do this in one of two ways - either you can bet enough to commit yourself and not fold to any shove, or you can bet small enough to get away and price yourself out of a call if he shoves. Betting $200 would probably put yourself into the former while betting $100 would put yourself into the latter. (Imo). We bet DEAD in the middle of this w/ $150. So. Now. He shoved. And we hate life and don't know what to do. His shoving range is never going to include any hands we're doing great against. I'd probably call just to see what he has, which I can justify because our equity is really close.