2/5nl Hero is in HJ with AcKd

V is mid 30s and seems competent enough, though he calls a bit too wide

Effective stack is around $1200

Folds to H who raises to $15
V in sb 3bets to $75
H 4bets to $200
V calls

Flop ($405)
Qc9c8d

V donks for $200
H?

I’ve never encountered this kind of line before. Would QQ do this when I’m going to be betting at a pretty high frequency anyway? Otherwise it’s 1010, JJ, maybe some AQ and some AK.

I feel like I can call with my AA, KK and nut flush draws, so should I consider a shove here with the two overs, bd flush draw and range advantage?


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Seems like an easy fold, you have the Ac so V shouldn’t have many bluffs

Since you don't have a strong read on the villain, this is a fold. If you knew this villain would shut down if called or raised, then calling would make sense with about 7 total outs with 2 streets to go.

I would fold. This is a really wet board you totally missed. You obviously continue with much of your 4! range, QQ+.

With these starting stack sizes, I'd be temped to just call the 3-bet, which uncaps your range and prevents you from seeing a whiffed flop with an SPR <3.

4b pretty mediocre with positions and stacks despite it being a mix in theory, would fold now shoving seems like a very large punt

At over 200bb definitely not a pure 4b. Flop sucks but I probably peel with Ac. 4b pots are tough.

Jamming would be a huge punt.

At this depth, I would call the 3 bet with AKo and 4 bet AKs.

Flop is whatever floats your boat, peel if you think he could do this with JJ or TT, fold otherwise.

Not looking to get in AK this deep and probably wouldn’t cbet this flop as better isn’t folding and he has better a lot. As played definitely folding.

What is a "seems competent, except for calling a bit too wide" V's 3!/c range out of the SB? When V is calling another 125 into a pot of 280, and has 1125 back at the time of the decision to call the 4!? Aside, isn't 5x a bit large for a 3! vs a HJ open?

Anyway, 99-88 shouldn't be in it, right? Should QQ? What's left? AQs, AK? KQs?? Along with JJ-TT? JTs isn't doing this, right? As noted, all of the broadway suited aces in clubs are blocked by us.

Ranging V is a necessary prelim. Then, what in that range donks out for 1/2 pot? Is this a V trying to figure out where they're at with <Qx, / bluff H off their AA/KK? But wouldn't x-shoving be better for that, from V's perspective?

sounds like you don't have enough experience against this V so you should just go according to theory

Theory Pre: V range 88-KK, AK, AQ, AJs

On this flop: Qc9c8d flop, V range smashes you, considering you 4! AKo (which is bad in theory which says to only 4! AKs, AA and mix KK depending on V 200bb deep - however with the players I play against, I'd be doing exactly as you did)

Therefore, gotta fold this flop

Lay it down big man.

I don't think you have a "range advantage" anymore, especially given your read that Villain calls too wide. This could easily be 99/88 not wanting you to check behind anything in your range, or JJ/TT hoping you'll see this disastrous board for a 4-bettor and bail.

I'm sure as hell not shoving. I might use position and call one street because I'm a donk.

pre 4b seems pretty bad

anything but folding flop is punting. you should thank villain for saving you money vs your inevitable flop cbet with crap equity, this is like the worst possible board for AK vs opponent 3b range

Curious why you think a 4bet here is pretty bad

You never 4bet AKo in position? Like I can understand if it’s a play you don’t like to make, but what is so bad about 4betting AKo at some frequency against a competent opponent?


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because it serves no purpose? if you are worried about your 4b range being too condensed then flat AA.

I would probably raise bigger pre, to $20. Facing a 5x 3B, I wouldn't 4B in position with AKo. I'd just flat call to keep the SPR more manageable going to the flop.

I think there's a problem with the logic of flatting AA/KK and NFD's, but jamming AcKx as a low equity bluff. What would our value range be, and what would our bluffs be, if we're flatting our overpairs and our NFD's? Would we only jam QQ and AcKx? That seems like it loses a lot of value.

Here, I think we can just fold. If we flat call, I'd be expecting a huge turn bet, and we'll be in the blender if the turn is another flush card.

Yeah, fold the flop

I don't think this is AK hardly ever.

You said he calls too wide pre, but now he's 3betting to 5x from the SB so I would think

1) he's a weaker/recreational type player just playing his cards
2) his range is probably nutted

I don't like 4betting pre, so I would either call IP or fold (depending on exactly what "calls a bit too wide" means).