7-handed table.villian wears sunglasses and looks like a semi-loose aggressive TAG. hero sees him call with a9o ip vs mp opener and then raise flop with mptk.2 limpers, villian in sb raises to $25,hero has KQ in bb and decides to 3 bet to $80,villian flat calls.
I put his range on qjs+,ATs+ and 99+. hero has about $500 and villian got hero covered. Do you guys just flat,fold or 3 bet ?I dont really want to play kqs oop if i flat and limpers call.folding preflop seems too nitty.
flop($165): J 94 villian bets $100,hero?

just flat PF. His raising range from SB is probably ahead of KQss. We are only calling because we have position, and we might get some other limpers to call too.

3bet pre is bad. and you can call and play in position or even fold if you think he has a real tight opening range from the sb.

calling with A9 ip and raising when he can just complete from the sb are completely different, and you shouldn't necessarily think he is a maniac opening an extremely wide range from any position just yet.

Villain is value betting. There's no way he's expecting Hero to fold here.

So if we're beat, what outs does Hero have?

Four tens. That's it.

Fold.

What is your image? Seems like a good flop for him to bet with nothing. He only bet $100. If you have Ak Aq he figures you fold. If you have an over pair you will raise and he can fold. With your stack size it only seems logical for you to fold or raise. I think I ship it here. He can't call with a hand like 10J or even AJ if you have a solid image. Wouldn't he try to check raise with a set? If he did call light you have over cards, straight draw, and back door flush outs.

I'd flat pre ip vs. the raiser. Your hand is doing fine vs. limper ranges, a slight dog at worse, so I'm willing to play them oop.

Easy fold otf.

His small raising size in sb doesnt sound to me like a strong hand.So i 3bet ip and plan to fire most flops and take it down right there when checked to.This is also a short-handed table and everyone seems more aggressive preflop.

i actually like this, so +1. but we will get flamed for spew, mate

Certainly read dependent with regards to his sizing, but your hand has good equity to flat and play ip. With only 100 bbs effective, I think you're in a tight spot otf with regards to PSR. If he calls your 3-bet, you are clearly behind (QQ-99, AK, AQs), thus even pairing the flop may be RIO.

I prefer a call preflop rather than 3bet. OTF, I think his donk bet is a lot more indicative of a medium strength range (AJ, KJs, QJs, JTs, TT) than a set or J9s. With the latter, it seems like he would at least let you cbet with overcards although we can’t eliminate these hands completely. I suppose he could also be stabbing with air or have slowplayed QQ+ preflop, but unlikely from a aggo V. Here are the combos and your equity vs his likely holdings:
Sets -9 combos - 16%
J9s – 2 combos - 21%
AJ, KJs, QJs, JTs, TT – 27 combos – 36.4%

I don’t think you are deep enough to float his flop donk bet, so it’s a fold or shove spot. If you think he can lay down top pair good kicker, it’s a good spot to semibluff since his line reps this type of range and the number of combos of these hands is much more than the hands that crush you. Also, your line of 3bet PF, raise AI flop reps lots of strength. If you think he is likely to call down lighter, then it’s a clear fold. If I had more time, I would do the algebra to figure the fold equity you need here.

guys, i just modified flop texture. The actual flop is J84
villian bets $100, i just shove my stack.
turn is 8
river blanks
villian shows me AT
regardless of whether we 3bet or just flat call, i think that we stack off on this board 100% of the time.

Did you intentionally post the wrong flop?

Either way, have fun stacking off in marginal spots.

You might do better playing tournaments.

Raising from the blinds is strength from almost every player type. The tight ones know better and the loose knes would rather limp " cheaply."

With that on mind I don't like raising. You're in a precarious position already.

I will fold if I think the limpers are likely to come along. Otherwise ill call and play the hand smaller and ip.
AP- you shouldn't be thinking about doing anything other than folding.

what are you talking about? we have two overs with king high flush draw in a 3 bet pot with only 100bb deep. You dont even consider shoving this flop to maximize our fold equity??If i choose to flat call preflop, i'd still stack off on this flush turn.yeah, i intentionally post a more interesting flop other than real one.The result is just the same but flatting preflop seems much better.

If this is true, you should be reported for wasting my time. Don't be an idiot.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for the moment, but posting imaginary flops is offensive to the poker gods. Enjoy your month of runbad...

You have zero fold equity. 3B preflop, villain donks into you for 1-million-dollars (American). Think really hard about this.

Not only do you have zero fold equity, you probably don't have all your flush outs clean. So instead of having 9 flush outs twice, you probably have 8 or 7. 8 outs twice is 32%.

I do not think any K or Q are outs, since villains range includes [JJ+].

You're being results oriented because you've seen Villain actions with the very bottom of his range.

please poker stove and see range equity(i give villian the tightest range)
Board: Js 8s 4h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.930% 43.93% 00.00% 13482 0.00 { KsQs }
Hand 1: 56.070% 56.07% 00.00% 17208 0.00 { JJ+, AJs-ATs, AJo }
If we dont have flush draw on Js9c4d board,its a clear fold.Heere we must shove over his donk bet now.

Umm... changing the board, changes everything.

worried about limp callers preflop. Then either fold or raise. The more predicable and weak your opponent, raise. The more unpredictable and better your opponent is then fold.

I am assuming you have a good opponent.
I agree that you don't have much fold equity. How often do you 3 bet with KQ? 3 bet from a blind position is really strong. He's probably putting you on a big pocket pair. If this is the case, then donk betting a hand like AJ would be stupid on his part. So take Jx out of his range. He could have been slow playing a big pocket pair and he's never folding those hands. He's also never folding a flush draw. Would he fold an open ended straight draw? Maybe that's your only fold equity, but this is low probability given your 3 bet. I don't think he leads out with the intention of ever folding given your 3 bet.

You are in a very tough spot here. Your options are to fold or shove on the flop. You can't raise and then fold to a reraise given your stack size.

I wouldn't assume your K or Q is live in this situation as he could have been slow playing AA. So your only winning about 35% of the time in this spot. A little less if he has set.

The only hands you can beat are lower flush draws. How often does he show up with these hands? I think hands like 67s are a possibility.

editing the previous post: I guess you should also factor in the probability of him trying to steal on the flop. You could add that to your fold equity but continuing in this hand commits all your chips is it worth the risk? It would be a hard hold on the flop.