doesnt matter if villain showed up with air qq-aa, or busted draw. we still have to fold here. if he bluffed you so be it. if he thought he was betting for value here and you folded so what. move on to the next hand you beat like nothing that a TAG player has here. you described villain and made the correct play according to how you have viewed him, nh.

villain had QQ

so thoughts now on how he played hand?

QQ? wow lol. Shrug it off, he played it terribly. His donktastic line worked this time, but unfortunately for him it won't long-term.

yes, "lol"

I think 44 PF is a little marginal in EP, but not terrible. I have not had a great time making 22-55 profitable in EP over time in full ring.

Flop/turn well played.

River is a fold IMO. I think he can easily have AJ/KJ/77. More importantly I don't think he a) can have worse for value b) is likely to have any reasonable bluffs in his range. So if he did this with some weird air type hand - he owns us and he is definitely not playing ABC poker (not even ABCD, right mpethy? ). If he took this line with a decent Jx it makes some sense. Let's say I am him and have AJ:

- Preflop: I should probably fold but hey, I have AJ and don't want to fold it even vs. EP (typical for meh 2/5 regs)
- Flop: I gots top/top, this is a good c-betting board, let's check to the raise to collect a c-bet from air
- Turn: My hand just got better, EP raiser rarely has a 7 in his hand, nor is this a good card for him to double barrel. Let's bet for value so that a K/Q doesn't come on the river.
- Turn after I got raised: I has 2 pair and villain is repping a super narrow range. He wouldn't even do this with AA. So he has JJ/77/44 (if he even plays 44 from EP), or air. Hmmm, why would he be raising me here with a boat, wouldn't he want to just call? Ok, I gots 2pr, and villain feels FOS, I call.
- River: I no longer care about what he has since he can't have JJ and if he has 77 oh well, I am betting for value.

Just read the rest of the discussion. I guess I was wrong about villain never having betting a worse value hand OTR. Ok - so villain is a moron who accidentally made a brilliant play of turning a marginal made hand into a bluff. Also - if he plays QQ this way then he can definitely have AJ/KJ after calling turn raise.

yeah... this hand convinced me Villain was not so competent as i had originally perceived him

why turn a showdown hand into a bluff? especially since i played it as though i had a very strong hand

His play with QQ was bad, and to be honest, so is this thread. Half of the responses are people guessing hands and OP telling them that they're wrong. No one is learning anything here.

i actually posted results in OP but it was deleted by a mod and message said to post results after 24h

AJ and QQ are the same hand, (until the river).
except combinatorically, he's less likely to have a J when the J comes of on the river.

you run into this dynamic a lot at LLS;
it's the beneifit that a donk gets from playing bad.
It usually works against them so much, the fact that they have no clue, that when their ******ed play actually works out for them (they turned QQ unknowingly into a bluff), that you have to be happy for them, and the game. it keeps them in the game, which is a good thing.

im calling here every time and feeling great about it

why? this is a -ev call...

cept when he has QQ, then it's +ev!

so everyone agree Villain was borderline ******ed? rofl