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05-22-2024 , 08:29 AM

provolonesocks

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Live 2/5 500 cap

Older black man (tight) limps UTG

Early 20s kid who's been talking about online poker isos to 30 in HJ

I flat BU with AsJd (mid 20's TAG)
-would mix 3-bet and flat here

Limper calls

Flop (90): Js 9s 4d
Check
HJ c-bets 60
I flat
UTG folds

Turn (210): 8d
HJ jams 390 into 210
Hero??

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05-22-2024 , 10:34 AM

Playbig2000

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Why would you "mix in" flats with 3bets? Flatting is pretty horrible imho. I would fold before flatting, but that's just me.

If we flat, and UTG flats, and an ace flops, how much are we calling down? They would both have all the higher aces in their range. I would prefer flatting with a suited AJ (although I would still mostly raise) instead of off suits.

As played I would fold the turn. He's probably protecting a big hand against a flush.

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05-22-2024 , 01:11 PM

Dochrohan

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Flat is all levels funny. 3b! Or fold

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05-22-2024 , 03:28 PM

Mr Spyutastic

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On the surface I feel like in practice this may be an indifferent hand though I could be wrong.

If you were mixing folds out of the AJo though I think your combo would be the nut hand to fold.

I think villain's range is going to revolve around the over pairs mixed in with mergey stuff like TT and JT and some KQ and other Tx and of course sets.

Pf I have cold calls on the button, but I don't play this hand as a cold call.

Spot seems close though because villain could be doing it with some worse hands some of which you dominate.

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05-22-2024 , 04:21 PM

davomalvolio

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Of our 1-pair hands, I feel like we should fold all of our King-Jacks, and most of our QJs, JTs, and AJs.

Having both a spade and a diamond in our hand makes this AJ a fold, but I think it’s fine to call it with the combos that don’t match any suits on the board.

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05-22-2024 , 10:14 PM

docvail

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3B or fold pre.

Raise flop. Don't flat call.

AP, our hand is just a bluff catcher on the turn, and not an outstanding one, when V over-bet jams almost 2x pot.

We lose to QT, J9, J8, T7, 98, AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 99, 88, and 44. We chop with his AJ. We block his nut spade draws, and JXdd. We beat A9ss, A8ss, and A4ss.

What are his bluffs? T8ss, KTss, Q8ss, 87ss, KQss, A5ss, ATss? Is he jamming all those, and worse value, rather than checking back and taking his equity, after you called a 2/3 pot c-bet on the flop?

I dunno, man. Seems like he's got a lot more thick value than obvious bluffs.

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05-24-2024 , 01:08 PM

Javanewt

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I don't mind flatting suited connectors, small pairs, etc., here, but I don't flat AJ -- it's raise or fold.

As played, fold unless you get some incredible read that he's bluffing w/ worse.

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