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2/5 Turn draw into bluff, or call? 2/5 Turn draw into bluff, or call?

06-17-2014 , 11:19 AM
Table has been loose and aggressive, it seemed like almost every pot was $300+. Hero has been playing pretty solid/TAG, hasn't gotten to showdown yet, and generally gets respect post flop. I'm playing about $650-$700.

V1 hasn't played too many hands and has his chips stacked very neatly. In hands I've seen him play his actions are always very deliberate. He's playing around $800-900, I'm assuming at this point he's on the tighter side, but not necessarily nitty.

V2 is a young guy with sunglasses and headphones, playing in a way that is fitting of his image, that is pretty LAG. He has been opening the most pots by far, and has been c-betting probably 90-100% of the time, double barreling a lot too. One of the first hands I played, he donk lead 60 into 100 against me on 995hh, I raised to 165 and everyone folded. He covers me, but not by much.

Hero is dealt 65 on the button
V1 raises to $20 in early position
V2 calls $20 from the HJ
Hero calls $20 on the BTN
SB calls $20
BB folds

Flop ($85) A57
SB checks, V1 bets $45, V2 calls $45, Hero calls $45, SB folds

Turn ($220) 3
V1 bets $60, V2 calls $60, Hero ?

The question here is whether this is a spot where I should be raising to try to take the pot away, or taking my 5.5 to 1 and seeing a river card.

Since villain was on the tighter side, I decided this wouldn't be a good spot to 3bet preflop, plus I had a read that SB is a loose weaker player, so I'd like him to be in the pot as well with this particular hand. Had V2 opened, I would've been much more inclined to 3bet him as everyone had been just letting him get away with his rampant opening.

On the flop, even though my hand has a lot of equity, I feel like V1's range is pretty ace heavy betting into 3 people from early position, and that a raise might not necessarily take the pot down. I don't think I'm so far ahead of their ranges that I want to flip for $650 on the flop. FWIW V2 has a decent amount of aces and draws in his range.

The turn gets interesting as V1 makes such a small bet into a board with multiple straight draws and two flush draws. And V2 only calls. I feel that the turn action from both suggest that neither is particularly strong, at best maybe having a weak-medium strength ace. Do we want to take our equity and see a river, or should I be making it $200-$225 and trying to just take it away now?
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06-17-2014 , 01:37 PM
I would advise against the raise. Attempting to take a V such as he is off top pair Ax would not be recommended. You need to know a lot more about the V before attempting such a plan.
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06-17-2014 , 01:42 PM
i like a call. i think if we raise we arent getting V to fold too many Ax hands.
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06-17-2014 , 01:51 PM
Call.

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06-17-2014 , 02:24 PM
Raise to $200 on the flop, if that doesn't take it down, shove turn. If your read is right, they'll fold their one pair hands or draws on either the flop or turn. If you fold out a better flush draw on the flop and you're up against just an ace, your equity goes way up or vice versa.

While an Ax hand may call the flop most of the Ax hands will fold to a turn shove.

If you flopped a set on this board how would you play it?
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06-17-2014 , 02:50 PM
If I flopped a set I would probably raise to about $175 or whatever sizing would let me have a roughly pot sized turn shove. I think a flop raise is defensible given our hand, but I would rather play my hand aggressively against a looser opponent, or have the read that V1 will lay down AK/AQ before I take a line to try to get him off those hands.
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06-17-2014 , 02:55 PM
If you want to turn this into bluff on turn you gotta raise flop imo.
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06-17-2014 , 03:04 PM
I guess looking at it, I'm not repping too much other than 64s when I flat the flop and raise the turn as I won't be flatting my monsters on this flop with 3 people in the hand. For the sake of congruence I should just be calling as everyone so far has said.

In game I did call, hit a black 6 on the river, V1 bet 85, V2 tank folded, easy call for me as I think I'm almost never behind to V1 unless he has 77 or AA and I'm getting almost 5 to 1. He shows the KdJc. V2 claims to have folded a weak ace w/a straight draw so either A4 or A2.
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