(500) MP1 - Open limps
(1k) MP2 - raises to 25
(1k) HJ - calls
(700) Hero has KQ - calls
(1k) BTN - flats
folds to MP1 who calls

Pot is 125

Flop KJ7
Checks to Hero who bets 75, BTN raises to 200, folds to Hero

BTN plays a lot of 5/T when he is out traveling but isn't a pro. He makes 100k+ from his day job and obviously has never really watched a lot of poker videos or had any sort of training. He spazzes out and can 4b bluff, bluff raise with air, overplay marginal draws (TP with the FD) etc...

Best play here?

Only question I have is how does he play draws?

If I can't answer that, or if the answer contradicts what is going on here, I am folding.

Pot is 400 you need 125 to call. Folding is criminal. The board is far too wet. Take a call reevaluate line. Hopefully he views your flat as strength and you can get to the river cheap.

If villain does bet, pot would be big enough ott to get a solid read on the strength of his hand.

How on earth can calling on a wet board OOP represent strength?

He can play draws quite aggressively and views Hero as being a big winning TAG in the game and the best player at the table, but he knows I can be quite nitty

Idk fish think different all the time. I just read last night 2 fish on here stating calling a raise is strong. It was just a thought. I meant to say hopefully. Which was wishful thinking Parker.

I think the issue is that flatting a raise tends to turn your hand face up and removes bluffs which means you have a stronger range

It's called an aggressive call.

Loll.

I never play that deep so I am probably of no use here. All options seems to suck... Re-raising could be overplaying our hand and by calling we just build the pot with a marginal hand OOP without gaining any information.

I can't imagine seeing a cheap turn and river after flop action, especially considering V is aggressive and spewy. How are we going to act on diamond turns/rivers?

It might be nitty but I think I prefer folding flop. I guess the real question is how does he follow up on his flop bluffs? Does he give up often OTT or is he capable of picking up good opportunities to bluff on scary turn/rivers?

All I know is I think we're going to be facing bigger bets in other streets unless he's the take-a-stab-give-up type of player. I'm only gonna call to re-evaluate if I have a read on how he usually follows up on turn, and to be specific, preferably a read that tells me he is fond of double-barrel bluffing... which I find to be rare at LLSNL.

call / call.

He has KJ or 77. This spot sucks. Fold and find better spots. See if you can move so he isn't on your left also.

"BTN plays a lot of 5/T when he is out traveling but isn't a pro. He makes 100k+ from his day job and obviously has never really watched a lot of poker videos or had any sort of training. He spazzes out and can 4b bluff, bluff raise with air, overplay marginal draws (TP with the FD) etc..."

Don't open your mouth if you don't know what the spot is.

It's pretty difficult for him to have a naked draw here. Maybe q/10, but if he has any flush draw he's almost guaranteed to have some type of combo draw on this board. Calling is really bad as he'll outplay you a lot on later streets, he's ahead a lot and when he's not ahead he's got close to 50% equity almost always. I think it's a fold.

The bet sizing doesnt seem like a draw, but he could be leveling you there if he knows you are good enough to realize this.

It would actually be genius because then if you call/check back turn he has a huge leg up in the hand.

Lol this poker thing we play really is a mind ***

I dont see a reason to get into a betting war with top pair as others said there will be better spots to hit him where it hurts if he is bluffing and if he is not bluffing then you are going to be screwed anyway.

Fold.

How would you play this hand if you have:

1) Two pair/Sets+ ?

If you are always reraising here, calling the flop raise actually removes alot of your strong ranges and open yourself up for exploitation since he can fire huge on turn and river forcing you to give up what possibly is the best hand.

2) Flush draws?

If you are calling most of the flush draw here, your flop call will then be -ev since villain will now know that any future aggression shown by you if the third diamond hits meant only a flush.

As such, in this hand, if you chose to just call the flop raise, you are turning your hands face up.

Not to say that calling isn't an option. It can be a good play against an aggressive villain who pounce on weakness (which your flop call seems to signify) and you have an excellent bluff catcher.

However, being OOP is a huge minus. You are always first to act on each street and furthermore, you are handling over initiatives to the Button.

Conclusion? Fold flop.

The one question I would ask is whether this Villain would be more likely to flat or 3-bet preflop from the BTN with AK?

If it is the former, then this solidifies my being in the "fold" camp.

Villain is 3betting AK like 100%

Villain also has some % of air/gutterballs since I'm not the PFR and he knows I can have like QJ/KT here etc...

+1

more than half the deck is scary if he is drawing and we are already dead if he has a set or drawing slim if he has AK or KJ, worst is if he is free rolling with KQdd and even if the turn a blank, most of the time we are gonna check to him and what are we gonna do if he bets?

i think if i doubt him i will raise/fold here on the flop.

Are we really stacking off with only 2pair, set or overpair vs this guy? It kinda sucks that we have no backdoor equity but Im grabbing my balls with both my hands and getting it in.

fwiw our hand = an overpair relative to his range and I don't think we can bet/fold profitably versus this player type since he can be splashy and make moves when we have a capped range. I mean he isn't good enough to "know this" but he is good enough to understand this.

Why would he pick now to naked bluff you in a 5 way pot though?

It's a 5-way pot and there's everyone behind him. You're overthinking this.