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2/5: Top pair facing raise OOP 2/5: Top pair facing raise OOP

10-22-2021 , 09:21 PM
2/5, 8-handed.

A generally splashy table but not overly aggressive. Perhaps half of hands straddled. None of the villains show any particular technical proficiency and all have varying wide calling ranges.

A very frustrating session, with a large number of whiffed flops after raises going multiway and a couple of coolers and a few hands resulting in being value owned. Have just got back to even for session after hero calls and a couple of successful bluffs, intending to leave after this orbit.


Villain A (65yo white male, 20/1 passive weak, $500) limps in the LJ.
Hero ($710) raises to $20 with AKdd in the HJ.
Villain B (50yo white female, 20/5, $400) calls in the CO
Villain C (30yo white male, 15/8, $600) calls on button.
Blinds and Villain A fold.

Villain B has had to rebuy a couple of times, for most of the session she has not done anything really out of line, but she lost her stack shoving with a draw and also with an overvalued top pair middle kicker, each time on the turn. Villain C is a timid, less-manly individual.

Flop ($72) KT6r, no diamonds

Hero bets $35, Villain B raises to $130, Villain C folds

What do you do?

This is during a very frustrating stretch of play extending several sessions of being value-owned multiple times. But can you fold top pair here?
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10-22-2021 , 10:00 PM
I'm not folding TPTK 80bb effective to a villain who may be tilted, overvalues weaker TP hands and is potentially raising a straight draw. Easy call.
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10-22-2021 , 10:10 PM
It isn't a flop prone to raises. The only reasonable semi-bluff is QJ and there are no flush draws. Flop is dry enough that a villain with KT or a set doesn't need to clear the field. So villain doesn't have much reason to raise no matter what they have. Given a fairly short stack and the situation I call and evaluate on the turn. But probably getting it in unless the turn is a bad card because hero has to go first.

Not exactly happy about the situation but effective SPR is <6 on the flop because of villain's short stack. I'm not inclined to give up TPTK unless villain is noticeably nitty.
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10-23-2021 , 01:51 AM
oh man, been here a million times before. No matter how many juicy spots you get to squeeze or 3B light or whatever the deck just misses you every single time. Best rule is "when the fish bets you fold". Dont worry about her reason for raising for value here, some people dont care what you have and just play the strength of their own cards. I at least call and see what she does on the turn, which is probably jam, and then call off the rest anyway since she isnt even full stacked and we know at least 1% of the time she'll overplay weaker hands. But wont be surprised *at all* to run into a set. Just one of those sessions. If you were both setting 1k+ deep I think i might actually find a fold given the current events, which includes her playstyle and your own runbad.
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10-23-2021 , 08:45 AM
Whenever you've made the decision to leave the table, leave the table immediately. It affects your play.

As played, I'm not good enough to fold TPTK on the flop without a better read. Call and see a turn.
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10-23-2021 , 09:48 AM
"Whenever you've made the decision to leave the table, leave the table immediately. It affects your play."

Best advice so far in this thread. In my early days of playing, I did not follow this advice and usually paid dearly. Once you have decided your done, be done. Rack up and Go! I have had so many sessions like that where you go down quite a bit to coolers, bad reads, etc., only to get back even after hours of work. Nothing worse than dumping your hard work back on an AK or JJ fun spot.

You most definitely play differently when you've decided to leave in your head, I know I used to. Once I get that thought, I'm gone.

Agreed to call the flop, see a turn and pretend your not leaving in your head.

GL
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10-23-2021 , 11:01 AM
Grunch

When tight passive players start being aggressive, you’re toast without the nuts.

Reciprocity - make the decisions your peers can’t.

This is a fold all day, ainec
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10-23-2021 , 03:25 PM
I fold, rack up, and leave.

Seriously. It sounds as if losing a big chunk of your stack would be pretty tilting and you were going to leave anyway -- cut your losses.

However, if you think you are ahead (sounds as if she could have KQ, KJ, QJ, etc., but she usually raises the turn), call and evaluate (get her to bomb turn) or just shove now and put her to the test -- then rack up and leave.
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10-26-2021 , 07:34 PM
Same # of combos for AK/KT; you have KK/TT, she has TT/66.

She is setting up < PSB shove on the turn, still I'd call and be willing to X/F turn.
Our < 1/2 PSB may be perceived as weakness, but calling is strong. If she continues on turn, we are very likely beat.
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