How does KJ make perfect sense? Limp calling KJ from UTG and calling a bet with a gutshot on a board with a flush draw against an aggressive player, then donking for more than pot on the turn when he hits his straight? In what world does that make perfect sense

We are talking about this hand in particular. She is seen as TAG. This is her description of how the other players see her. That's the point of reads. She should not fold two pair.

Again, if there is any chance he folds two pair, why shove? He's not folding on a blank turn and he surely isn't folding on an A turn. If he's that bad, he might not fold on a diamond.

I guess H did post that he shows up with random two pair. H, how did he play those?

It makes a whole lot more sense than calling on flop with what he thinks is a made hand and donking over pot on a turn that can crush him. It makes much more sense. If he's calling pre w/ AT or A6, he's calling w/ KJ. And he's betting huge on turn to get other draws to fold. Perfect.

Funny that you guys are shoving because you put him on one hand that you beat that he might call with.

Please explain why he would stop and go w/o the nuts. To find out where he is?? It's the $245 that needs explaining, not the $25.

The fact that people here cant range this hand well says that its probably wide enough to call this. Granted Im not thrilled with top 2 anymore, but with 13 outs Im not folding. I probably fold to a shove on a blank river, which is the street Im more interested in at this point.

Call, see the next card, and if you bink, get your chips in the middle. If you miss, hope he slows down.

Shoving seems silly at this point. We have position and an already made hand.

What? He called on flop with a straight draw and hit it on the turn and bet enough to get other draws to fold. How is that a stop and go? He is playing his hand. (KJ is the nuts right now.)

Im not saying the best move here is to shove, personally id call the turn then re-evaluate on the river. My point is that you can't just snap put him only on nutted hands that have us crushed. You can't exclude A6/AT/QT

She described herself as TAG, he might not have picked this up, he might not be super aware of everyones table image, if he was then he'd probably have folded KJ pre.

I think that i have been misinterpreted in what I'm trying to say

Oh, I thought you were advocating a shove. I don't put him on only nutted hands, but I think shoving (what I was arguing against) is a huge mistake because (usually) only sets and straights are calling and if he has two pair, which he might (should) fold, we don't want him to fold.

What? That's why he stops and goes WITH the nuts. I'm asking for a rational explanation of why he does it WITHOUT. Can anyone provide a rational explanation for his behavior if he does not have KJ?

You questioned me, and I answered. I don't think anyone here can explain this. Many of them think he'd do it with AT (or even A6). LOL. I totally disagree.

Why does everyone think that V would JUST CALL flop with AT/A6? Makes no sense.

And to add to that, he suddenly goes bonkers with it on the Q turn? Even more silly to think.

OP, results please???

lol call

Some of us agree with you.

Grunch:

Based on the OP's description of the villlain, he'll peel light and (I'm assuming) he'll overplay hands. So let's give him all the 16 combos of KJ vs half of the A6 combos (3) all the AT combos (6) and half the QT combos (3). So we are almost getting 2-1 on a call where absolute worst case we have 29% equity. Folding is simply out of the question.

Since we are never folding I want to get full value from worse two pair hands. Most rec players taking this line aren't folding - he's taking a super strong line so I'm jamming here and feeling pretty damn good about it. I don't want a diamond to fall and kill action where he'd call a turn ship.

LOL. Folding is out of the question in a limit game. And LOL at giving him a range that we have crushed 40% of the time.

Where are all the 2 + 2 members finding these games where villains shove into us when we have them crushed? If this guy had A6 it would be the best spot I'd seen in the past 6 months. Maybe the past 18.

You must play in some awful games. I'm not saying it happens often, but I come across players like this from time to time.

Even if we give him nothing but the 16 KJ combos, we have 29.5% equity. If we call and bink we will only need to make a small amount of $$ on the river to make this a profitable call. I'm not sure how exactly to calculate the amount we need to make on the river but my back of the napkin math has gotta make less than $100 for a call to be +EV.

^ I think those of you suggesting the shove are being overly optimistic of getting calls from worse, when your range is absolutely face up as something as strong as AA when you shove vs an overbet there. Goodluck on making them think you have AK and inducing a call from A6/AT.

I can't believe someone is advocating a fold

Just call it really isn't that tuff. What's the river OP?

Do you play live poker?

Someone asked for the blinds' stacks for SPR.
SB: $500
BB: $700
Villain UTG+2: $800
Heroine: $850

Villain is by far not a tight player, though he isn't a limpaholic either. To elaborate on the hand that I mentioned as "History", I've seen him limp/call OOP pre with Q2, check/call on an AQXr flop, bet a deuce turn, and shove on a brick river against AK.

What do I consider V's range to be given the action thus far? I'd break this up by what seems more likely and then what seems not as likely.
Likely: the two AT combos, 66, the two AQ combos, KJd, KJs, perhaps sometimes KJo.
Possible but not so likely: any AK combos, AA, TT, any T6 combos, KT


Turn ($230) Q
Villain leads out for $245.
Heroine calls $245.

I elect to call instead of raise (effectively an all-in, in my opinion). I didn't want to him to possibly fold an weaker hand than mine.

River ($720) 3
Villian bets/goes all in for $465.

What do we do?

No, but I pretend that I do in this forum.

Calling super-large stack committing bets HOPING that you are either ahead or will draw out is BAD POKER!!! This guy has a hand, and is OOP repping the nuts vs. a TAG. If you're calling off your stack in this spot, you are not very good at this game.

Yes, call it off and hope he doesn't have a set or a str8

Seems like a pretty clear turn call. We have at least 30% equity against everything except KdJd and should have decent IO. Shoving seems like just donating to V's better hands since I can't imagine him calling with worse.

Ok then. Do u understand math? Math is not hoping or whatever other nonsense you are so confident about. It's just math.

I haven't seen you post ranges, equity vs ranges, etc. just that he "has a hand". That seems like. Pretty awful way to play poker or give advice