2/5 effective 500.
Ep limps. Hero MP 44cs to 25. EP calls.
HU
(57) Flop 943hhh
X hero bets 15. Snap call.
(87) Turn 5x
X hero bets 85. Call.
(257) Riv Tc
X hero bets 165.

I range bet flop here
Big bet vs capped range OTT
Size down for value OTR

Too simple?

Flop sizing is horrible and in general it’s usually not supposed to be a range bet on monotone boards as the PFR

Even if you choose to do so, you can split your range and choose to bet larger with your sets and maximize your EV. You’re leaving a lot of money on the table betting 1/4 with a set on a board where you have a lot of perceived misses and bluffs, and where the limper has a lot of hands that will call a bet.

You’re not playing a solver or a tough reg; you’re playing a fish. You maximize your value by betting big when you have it by exploiting their tendencies to underfold and defend too wide. And im not saying solvers dont range cbet 1/4 on any monotone boards as the PFR but i am pretty sure they mostly do a good amount of checking on most of them, and when they do bet it’s more polarized with a bigger sizing

Tbh i feel like in the past year people are taking way too many GTO concepts way too far and misapplying them. It’s meant to be used as a tool, and the lines solvers take are not lines we should be taking against fish. It can be a lot less interesting to read LLSNL threads at times nowadays. Maybe i’ll start posting less.

I’m torn on pre. I think raise is best in a normal game. In a super soft game where everyone calls raises I might just limp and try to nail the flop.

I’m cool with this. I play like this a bunch as well. Definitely disagree that villain has a capped range, the nuts can be found in his range, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t bet big with the clear range edge and plenty of hands that can give us action.

And yeah river we wanna induce action from weaker portions of his range. So ya. Nh.


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And how do u play a hand like KJcc on this flop?

Definitely not a 100% cbet frequency, unless the guy literally folds everything but TP+/A high FDs otf

Ya actually I’m going to 180 my opinion on flop (sorry guys!). Since this is a Board I’d check a ton, when I do bet, my range will be much stronger. So I’d wanna use a bigger bet.


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+1 to all this.
Except keep posting please.
-1 to that idea.

Flop should definitely be bigger, which sets up the turn and river much better for you to go to valuetown.

Ya. I mean you’re just right and I was wrong, IMO.


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Yeah, sorry. I reread your post a few times and ended up deleting my post.
For some reason, i thought you were being sarcastic. Haven’t really been in the right state of mind the past few days anyway, at EDC in Los Vegas lol.. it can be a little hard to read at times

Tbh i still cant tell if you’re being sarcastic lol. Part of me stil thinks you are but i dont want to just assume so and be a dick if you actually arent

wtf is flop
Should be maximising the money going into the pot on flop/turn against a fish who will x/f his draws otr

Yeah, I'd go big OTF. We could be bluffing or semi-bluffing as this doesn't hit us that hard. I also think this is a spot where he is mainly either calling or not. He might take a 1 street stand with just a 9. He's calling Ah, and pairs with heart. Lots of hands are folding no matter what. I guess $15 gets a call from like, KT with the Th or something, but is that even a big win for us?

If called, we can pound the turn again, but for a lower % of the pot. Like 60%.

On this runnout, we should really baby bet the river IMO. For one thing, our hand just isn't that strong anymore. At this point, he could have a low flush and we're trying to get called by like ah9x, a set of 3s and AhTx. It's almost a check to me. So I'd probably do something like bet the same amount I did on the turn against certain Vs. Against others, I might check.

So I guess the thing is that when we bet small OTF and he doesn’t raise, then it removes a lot of strong but vulnerable hands from his range. IE I expect he would raise with sets and over pairs and small flushes. And he might even make a small raise with nut flush trying to build the pot...


So when he just flat calls now his hand looks weak. Like he would call with any pair, any heart, etc he’s wide. Ok now I can make big bets on the turn and river vs a perceived weak range and this could induce a hero call... since it looks like I’m making big bets to attack that range?

I don’t know why I’m playing like this tbh I think I saw LLinusLLove do it against Trueteller in a nosebleed heads up game and now I like it ^_^

I forgot another thing we rep with a big flop bet, which is something like an offsuit overpair. So he can feel OK calling with any pair or a straight draw with a heart.

IDK that V always raises a low flush. The tiny bet puts him in a weird spot, so it's very hard to predict how he will react. But from his POV, what does raising a lower flush accomplish? He could feel you are extremely weak and decide it's pretty safe to slowplay. He could be afraid you are milking/trying to induce with the nuts. Or he might just not know WTF to make of the probe bet and just call and see what happens.

Since we don't know how V will interpret and react to our bet, we have even less ground to do some leveling play where he calls off a bunch of money with a pure bluff catcher because he knows that we know that he looks weak.

And at the end, don't we make more money just by having V call us with worse hands and by stacking him on board pairing hearts?

If I'm ever playing a million hands of $500,000/$1,000,000 HU with some EuoroSpurg I'll keep this one in mind. I'm sure it is a brilliant play in that context.

EDIT: What did Truthteller call down with?

limp along or most likely fold pre
I assume you're not opening 44 from mp

don't bet range on flop but yeah you should be betting on the smaller side
turn is ok
river I'd just try to get some wider calls from his weak pair+sd and size down a bit more

Good plan. I can't fathom why everyone wants to transform their game back to 2004.

pre flop fine
flop way too small - on flops where I wiff I am c-betting 60-70 percent maybe half pot, and checking/giving up the other percentage, on a monotone flop like this I am betting close to pot
turn like maybe 115-125?
River - depending on reads maybe polarizing Jam in hopes to get hero'd or just another reasonable value bet

Just my thoughts

One cool thing about range betting 1/4 pot on a board like this is that it’s really quite hard to come anywhere close to defending enough unless u r willing to make some plays with random off suit over cards

I think the issue revolves around the V here. Against a level 0-1 player, I think a polarizing large bet is bigger. The range bet is better reserved for a thinking V with a minimum defense range understanding.

This debate for me is the difference between physics and engineering. All the GTO stuff is very useful as a theoretical construct. The art is in the application of these principles to human situations.

Raising pre and cbetting with any frequency at these stacks seems leaky, especially if opponent is a station.

Flop - sizing, as others have said.

Rest seems ok.

It’s a much better plan (or lack of) than what your parents made.