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2/5: shove with flopped nuts, right? 2/5: shove with flopped nuts, right?

12-08-2014 , 01:39 AM
Tampa Hard Rock. At the table an hour, my image is tight but good, I'm up a little. HJ open limps, button (ABC middle aged guy) limps, SB calls, I raise to $25 with KQ. HJ and button call. (Button has $650, I cover.)

Flop: 9TJ ($71)

Well, that's not so bad. I bet $50, HJ folds, button raises to $175.

Obviously he never has any set here (even though he's tight PF, I'm certain he raises 99 from the button over a HJ limp, and obv TT and JJ). So it's a question of whether he has two pair, 78, Q8s, or my same KQ.

Considering he has about $450 behind after his raise, is there any case to be made for anything other than a shove? (Click-back to $300 maybe?) Shoving seems like a no-brainer, but if anyone thinks otherwise I'm all ears.
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12-08-2014 , 01:43 AM
I think the money goes in on this flop regardless of what you do unless V has something like bottom two. I say click it back and shove any turn.
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12-08-2014 , 02:33 AM
Shoving is a bit strong. Click it back to $330. Doubt he is folding either way.

Flatting isn't terrible if your sure he will bet the turn. If he has shown the ability to raise flop, then check turn, then you have to raise flop/lead turn.

Either way, works. To get stacks in.
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12-08-2014 , 03:46 AM
i would just shove. he wont fold any of those hands you listed, he'll put you on QQ+ and call. clicking it back looks ridiculously strong.

also good luck balancing a click back range. not that you should balance. but still a consideration nonetheless as you move up.
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12-08-2014 , 11:07 AM
He's got JT here (they've ALWAYS got JT here) and shoving looks like a pair + draw. GII. He isn't folding.
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12-08-2014 , 12:13 PM
If you shove, I think he finds a lot of hero folds unless you have shown serious aggressive tendencies post-flop.

If you are ruling 99 out (and I agree TT/JJ are most likely out), why give him a chance to fold a hand with possibly 0-4 outs which is what we are ranging him on?
If you flat, he has 1PSB remaining. It won't be hard to get that in by the river.

Even if he does have 99, he's just about getting correct odds to call your shove anyway, so we won't even be forcing him into a mistake by calling.
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03-16-2015 , 01:47 PM
reraise to $300 and let him hang himself
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03-16-2015 , 01:57 PM
don't flat.

No one raise/folds at this level. He's already committed to the pot (in his mind).

Min-raise or ship all in, doesn't really matter.
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03-16-2015 , 02:05 PM
Grunch.

Any reads on this player? I'm not sure why you don't think he can have a set here. My standard play in this spot pre-flop if I was Villain would be to flat with 99-JJ, especially against a player who I deem tight. I would also assume that most other players just call with 99 and TT in that spot too. 3betting with those hands will probably just isolate you against mostly hands that are stronger, not to mention it really sucks when you face a 4bet.

As played I guess you just shove... although I would probably find a fold with two pair against a shove if I were Villain. We are OOP and don't really want to see and 8, 7, Q, K, A, or have the board pair OTT. That's a lot of cards. Shoving definitely isn't bad here, but I think and argument for flatting and c/r all-in can be made depending on who you are playing against.
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03-16-2015 , 02:15 PM
Min raising may look super strong but he isn't folding gettin such a great price. I don't see how stacks don't go in at this point though. If we above and villans folds 10% of the time but if we min raise he folds 0% the time and calls turn shove I like min raising better.
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03-16-2015 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaNEWPr0fess0r
Grunch.

Any reads on this player? I'm not sure why you don't think he can have a set here. My standard play in this spot pre-flop if I was Villain would be to flat with 99-JJ, especially against a player who I deem tight. I would also assume that most other players just call with 99 and TT in that spot too. 3betting with those hands will probably just isolate you against mostly hands that are stronger, not to mention it really sucks when you face a 4bet.

As played I guess you just shove... although I would probably find a fold with two pair against a shove if I were Villain. We are OOP and don't really want to see and 8, 7, Q, K, A, or have the board pair OTT. That's a lot of cards. Shoving definitely isn't bad here, but I think and argument for flatting and c/r all-in can be made depending on who you are playing against.
hero raised from the blinds, btn overlimped which i agree a competent player isn´t going to do often with 99/TT/JJ
agree with raising, he prob doesnt have a r/folding range 100bb deep, and there are a lot of scare cards for a hand like 78
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03-16-2015 , 03:18 PM
shove and collect money.
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03-16-2015 , 03:24 PM
The pot is 421 and you both have 450 behind.

If you can be 100% sure that he calls an overshove exactly as often as he calls 40% of pot bets (which are more than enough to get you all-in by the river) then shove.
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03-16-2015 , 07:00 PM
I like making it 310, and tank (8 seconds) shove turn.
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03-16-2015 , 07:25 PM
Make it 300 to go and shove the turn.
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03-16-2015 , 09:44 PM
I don't think you can go wrong here but I like shove best. Click it back looks super strong. He's almost certainly calling but it looks stronger than shove.
I also think that you can flat and check turn. He's betting this flop almost every time and you can c/r and if he checks, you can ship river and it's not an over bet. You kind of can't misplay this. His stack is yours. ABC players are going broke with top two here every time.
I like ship best bc V could get scared by turn or river cards and his most likely holding is two pair. And he's not folding two pair here. He puts you on QQ,KK,AA and thinks he is ahead.
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