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2/5 should I bet this turn. If so, how much? 2/5 should I bet this turn. If so, how much?

08-21-2022 , 12:08 AM
Effective Stack 400.

Fairly new on the table, no reads yet.

Hero UTG Ad Jd raises to 20, 2 x MP Calls, SB and BB Calls.

Pot ($100) Flop: 2dQsAc, Checks to H bets 30, V in early MP calls and others fold

Pot($160) Turn: Kd, H ?
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08-21-2022 , 12:44 AM
I'm firing again at this. somewhere between $75-100. You have nut flush royal straight draw with TPGK. If the river bricks and your facing aggression you might consider letting it go then. But for now I'm betting here.
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08-21-2022 , 12:46 AM
Ok no one ever wants to hear this, but you’re in a tough spot now because you made a bad decision on the Flop. When you raise from UTG and get an AQ2 flop, your only real options are to bet BIG (80+% of the pot) or to check. A small bet just isn’t a thing, and it is especially not a thing betting into 5 people. Decide right away if this is the sort of hand you want to bet for value in front of 4 Villains, but if you decide it *is*, you’ve gotta bet big, because their continuing range will have connected with this flop very strongly. (I do lean slightly in favor of C-betting here, though that’s only due to your back-door straight and flush draws, which you could continue barreling on.)

I mention this only because, if you’d just bet $90 on the flop and gotten one caller, then you’d have a very easy decision on the Turn: go all-in!

But as played, I guess I like $100, to set up a good shove on the River if you spike one of your ours. And pray for a check-check-he-has-AT if you *don’t* catch it.
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08-21-2022 , 10:28 AM
Why did you bet so small on the flop?

The turn gives you more outs and didn't help anyone else. $100.
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08-21-2022 , 11:07 AM
Why wouldn't you bet the turn?
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08-21-2022 , 03:40 PM
The pot is $160. You have $350. You could consider a shove on the turn because any river that helps you is an action killer, and a shove could get a few hands that currently beat you, or could beat you on the flop, to fold. If you have a nitty image, and I suspect you do, this could be a fun play.
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08-21-2022 , 05:15 PM
Uh flop bet size is totally standard multiway. Could go 40 but we shouldn't be going bigger than that.

I would check turn as played. We have an easy xc with a hand that doesn't need protection. If we bet and get jammed on we hate our life and will have to get our stack in with a hand that is almost never ahead
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08-21-2022 , 05:20 PM
I would bet a little bigger on flop but agree its not too big a deal.

Bet at least half pot on turn. Don't check, this is a great card for hero range, and very rarely helps opponent.
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08-21-2022 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by LtUaE42
The pot is $160. You have $350. You could consider a shove on the turn because any river that helps you is an action killer, and a shove could get a few hands that currently beat you, or could beat you on the flop, to fold. If you have a nitty image, and I suspect you do, this could be a fun play.
To add on to this, I’d say you have two real options once you raise from UTG with AdJd and catch a 2dQsAc flop:

1) check-call for pot control; or
2) bet really big and then follow it up with a shove on the turn if you pick up additional equity (a Diamond, a king, a T, a J), but check for pot control otherwise

You’ve chosen the middle ground here on the flop (betting small) and I don’t understand why.
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08-21-2022 , 07:52 PM
Flop cbet is on the smaller side but agree with some posters above that its not a huge issue. We're not trying to deny equity so smaller bets usually fine. If I bet this flop, on some turn i am planning on jamming given stack sizes. This turn being one of them.

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08-22-2022 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
Why did you bet so small on the flop?

The turn gives you more outs and didn't help anyone else. $100.
The flop is great for me, I was thinking to bet 3 streets on most board runouts and give wrong price to the callers. Now, the turn completes some gutshot draws I was wondering should I still continue barreling turn or xc turn to see if the board completes nut flush draw. That was the reason behind betting small on the flop.
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08-22-2022 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerLearner1
The flop is great for me, I was thinking to bet 3 streets on most board runouts and give wrong price to the callers. Now, the turn completes some gutshot draws I was wondering should I still continue barreling turn or xc turn to see if the board completes nut flush draw. That was the reason behind betting small on the flop.
Also, the turn gives two pairs to KQ. To other posters asking me a question, I think I have explained to all your questions above. If you think otherwise, let me know please.
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08-22-2022 , 06:06 PM
$30 allows all JT KT JK Qx 2x Ax to call

$50 should get rid of gutters and 2x unless they get a flat caller inbetween.

$75 you are really only getting called by decent Ax 2pair

I think $50+ should be your option on flop

Going to fire the turn
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08-22-2022 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by davomalvolio
Ok no one ever wants to hear this, but you’re in a tough spot now because you made a bad decision on the Flop. When you raise from UTG and get an AQ2 flop, your only real options are to bet BIG (80+% of the pot) or to check. A small bet just isn’t a thing, and it is especially not a thing betting into 5 people. Decide right away if this is the sort of hand you want to bet for value in front of 4 Villains, but if you decide it *is*, you’ve gotta bet big, because their continuing range will have connected with this flop very strongly. (I do lean slightly in favor of C-betting here, though that’s only due to your back-door straight and flush draws, which you could continue barreling on.)
We’re 5-way on the flop against a population that plays ranges that are pretty far away from GTO.
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08-22-2022 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerLearner1
Effective Stack 400.

Fairly new on the table, no reads yet.

Hero UTG Ad Jd raises to 20, 2 x MP Calls, SB and BB Calls.

Pot ($100) Flop: 2dQsAc, Checks to H bets 30, V in early MP calls and others fold

Pot($160) Turn: Kd, H ?
I like the flop size 5 ways 1/3p makes the most sense. In these multiway situations on very dry boards I would only use a small size and value would be AT+ here, check any value that is worse. It's important to extract value from worse Ax Qx and draws as well as folding out the PP equity that is almost certainly out there. For flop bluffs you can use KJbdfd JTbdfd and 54bdfd. On this exact turn I like continuing for 2/3p with AJdd. However it's important to remember that on these types of 3broadway boards we want to be very careful about betting one pair hands. In general we want to have a good amount of additional equity dbl barrel one pair on 3broadway boards so hands like AJ and AT no FD are happy to xb the turn.
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08-23-2022 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by btcwinner88
I like the flop size 5 ways 1/3p makes the most sense. In these multiway situations on very dry boards I would only use a small size and value would be AT+ here, check any value that is worse. It's important to extract value from worse Ax Qx and draws as well as folding out the PP equity that is almost certainly out there. For flop bluffs you can use KJbdfd JTbdfd and 54bdfd. On this exact turn I like continuing for 2/3p with AJdd. However it's important to remember that on these types of 3broadway boards we want to be very careful about betting one pair hands. In general we want to have a good amount of additional equity dbl barrel one pair on 3broadway boards so hands like AJ and AT no FD are happy to xb the turn.
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08-26-2022 , 03:25 PM
Idk what universe I'm in reading some of these answers....

This is a super clear c/call on the turn.

What is villain's calling range? He has 0 flush draws unless you wanna generously include QT. A few speculative pair + gutshot combos. And weak aces. Very, very few worse hands are going to call. And our hand doesn't need protection. Worse yet - if we bet and get jammed on we kinda have to call. We'd be giving v everything he wants.

And yes, lots of 2/5 players will show up with AQ/AK/KQ here cuz 3betting pre without a pair is terrifying.

Betting makes a lot more sense when we don't have the A and he can have all of the Ax combos.

If it goes check/check we can value bet a lot of rivers. If we check/call and improve, we jam river and get paid a lot. If we check/call and don't improve we can check/evaluate.

Also your flop bet sizing is perfect.
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08-26-2022 , 05:23 PM
Grunch

I don't think a bet is awful but I like a check because people love JT and giving a free card isn't too bad here to other hands. You only hate a J coming on the river and you have one of those.

You're going to be giving up a lot here so having something that can call a bet in your check range is nice.

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10-09-2022 , 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by LtUaE42
The pot is $160. You have $350. You could consider a shove on the turn because any river that helps you is an action killer, and a shove could get a few hands that currently beat you, or could beat you on the flop, to fold. If you have a nitty image, and I suspect you do, this could be a fun play.
Whoa wait a minute, why would hands that are beating him fold? If I have 2p plus here I just sigh call.
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