2/5 game has been going for hours, about 6pm on Memorial Day. This game is great, with one borderline whale who plays way too many hands and plays them for many streets. Hero raises the most at the table, but isn't getting punished for it enough pre or post.

Most recent big hands is raising KT over limpers and only whale calls on BTN. Flop Qc9cQx hero cbet whale calls turn Kx hero bets 1/2 whale calls river blank hero ck whale bets 2/3 hero calls and gets showed q7o

Hero SB J9 $650 MAWG have an aggresive image

V2 UTG+1 $180 Weak-Tight mid 20s dude who sat down 45 mins ago with about $200. Has more in pocket. Has played a few hands and won a limped pot with a bet. Limps 2 hands an orbit.

V2 whale $1000

4 limps to hero including whale and V1. 3 other Vs who fold on the flop. One sticky one nitty and i forget the other.

Hero completes and bb checks.

Flop $28 T83 Hero leads $20. V2 and whale call. No livereads on flop, both stoic.

Turn $86 T83J

Hero bets $60
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I had a few spots like this my most recent session. Finding myself on the turn out of position with the betting lead unsure what to do. In this hand I wanted to get value from weaker hands and protecting my holding. In spots like this though I hate to put such a potentially large chunk of my stack at risk OOP. In this hand I think both flop and turn are debatable.

Nice hand to post.

I don't love the flop because I think we have very limited flop fold equity (6-ways, we will often get called by better hands, possibly even ones that are just slightly better, like QJ); our turn barrel ability is limited because turn over cards can hit villains' flop continuing ranges (turn K and A, for example, can improve hands like diamond draws with Ax or Kx, give the QJ straight draw more outs, and improve flopped one pair hands like AT and KT to two pairs); and since there are 2 diamonds on board, we have only 6 clean outs to the nuts, not all 8.

Less multi-way, I like it more.

Rainbow board, I like it more.

Exactly this scenario, I think it's marginal, and I think I prefer to c/decide, often just c/folding. But I like the idea.

As played on turn, I'd bet just a touch smaller for value. Want to get a peel from AT, KT, QT as well as T9, the diamonds, etc. I like 45 instead of 60.

On diamond rivers, I'd either c/f or b/f very small.

On blank rivers, I'd probably bet small again for thin value. Draws fold, but QT-AT, T9 are 40+ combos. Lots more Tx than diamond draws out there. We also block diamond draws with the 9d in our hand and the Td on boards blocks many likely pre-flop XXdd hands.

So you see the flop oop 6way? I probably begin by checking rather than lead out, then evaluate and weigh every option....

I like the lead with 3 Vs who fold OTF. I mean we're going to call a bet, so I'd rather lead and keep my range open. If I knew there were some agro players behind, then I'd prefer checking.

I also like the turn lead, though I would prefer $50 for some reason. We rate to have the best hand, we added to our equity and we can get value from worse while charging draws.

Again, if we check and see a bet we will call, so why not just keep control of the hand with another barrel?

Flop bet is speculative, check evaluate more profitable imo

When we hit a good card on the turn 60 is too small a bet, our hand is super vulnerable (as would better made hands like set, two pair, bottom end of straight), anywhere from 80 to 150 looks good, presumably we fold if the big stack raises

If you're finding yourself getting into a lot of turn spots OOP with the betting lead and facing a decision to make a large bet that isn't for fat value you may want to reconsider your overall strategy.

What I see in the two hands you've given is betting for bettings sake and no clear reason behind it.

Preflop is possibly a fold. That's one way to avoid these spots.

Flop is very much a check when you have zero chance of winning on the flop.

Turn shouldn't have gotten to this spot. Think about your commitment plan before you get to the turn and find that you're committed.

+1

My first thoughts after reading OP were pondering the merits of just folding pre. We're OOP with almost the entire table in the hand. We're never going to be thrilled about a Jxx or 9xx board, so we're calling hoping to flop straights or boats basically.

I really agree with the preflop folding advice. I try to be disciplined about this - althought it's hard sometimes. It can seem really nitty to fold instead of completing - especially if you've been card dead for a while and 1 gappers seem decent. But the trouble is that they often bring flops like this were you have just enough to want to play on a little bit, despite the challenges (OOP, multi-way, over-draws). Anyway - just to say I've often found myself in similiar spots wondering how I got there.

As played, I check/call OTF (barring a raise).
Then lead turn for 3/4 pot.

100% check and evaluate the flop action. You don't want to starting building a big pot oop with J-high and 6 clean outs without any clue how the board hit your 5 opponents. You're fine if it checks through and you get a free shot to bink a non-d Q or 7. You can c/r if you sense a weak bet and see some folds. You can safely fold if the action blows up.

this is fine, flop lead is a little thin but this seems like a passive table that won't semi-bluff, turn you have to bet for both value and protection