Little bit of history on villain. He's a younger weakish passive type player calls lots of raises preflop then plays passive postflop. A few hands earlier an aggressive player straddles, gets 5 callers then raises to 70. Villain calls 70 all others fold. Flop comes Q,9,7 rainbow. Straddle bets 100, villain calls. Turn is a blank, straddle checks, villain checks. River is another blank, straddle checks clearly giving up on the hand villain checks behind. Straddle shows A6o for Ace high and villain shows j10o for Jack high.

I'm up a couple of buy-ins and have a TAG image so most of my cbets are working and I'm taking down a lot of pots.

Ok, on to the hand:

Villain in ep ($450) limps $5
Mp 1 calls $5
Mp 2 calls $5
Hero on BTN($1400) raises to $30 with 9c, 10c
villain calls $30
MP1 folds
Mp2 folds

Flop:
Ks, 8c, 4h

Villain checks, Hero bets $50, Villain calls

Turn:
Js
Villain checks. Open ended I check back

River:
7s
Villain bets $50.
Hero??

River completes my straight but a passive player leading river when the flush gets there doesn't make much sense with the action so far.

Raise for value?

See thats the problem without firing the second barrel when your hand gets more equity on the turn. Your hand is very deceptive with a back door flush draw out there. You check back in position when you could have blew your opponent off his hand or get his whole stack on the river.

I'm pretty sure your good here for a raise. Given the way you played the hand I just flat call this river. "NoWay" I don't fire the turn getting an open ended.

What hand that also had a backdoor flush draw called you on the flop? Do you think he'd peel a card with middle or bottom pair and a backdoor flush draw? What about a gutshot like 76/65?

I think this is likely to be 2 pair or a badly played set, more often than a flush. I would definitely raise for value. BUT, given how passive he is, I would either shove right now, or raise small enough (like $115 or $125) that we could fold to a shove. I don't want to be stacking off to a river 3bet from this villain, but I'm happy to let him call it off. Which option I would choose depends on how loose I think the villain is.

Cali what do u do when u raise the turn and he re raises/jams?

With the stacks in question, I bet if he raises I jam, if he shoves I insta-call.

If u bet, and he raises, your jam has zero fe. So this really makes it a simple math problem.

Ott there is approx 180 in the pot (if my math is correct here). Let's assume we take your line Cali and bet a reasonable 2/3 pot bet of 120. You're saying that if he jams you snap call? There will be 770 in the pot and it's costing u 250 more to see the river. About 3 to 1. U have 8 outs to the straight, 2 of which may be dirty. Even with 8 outs, you're 5.75:1 against to make your straight. Hence making this a terrible call.

You do realize we have a 3.5 to 1 chip count. If stacks were even I would think a little harder. That's why I said given stacks.

Objection- relevance.

Irrelevant. You're either playing good poker or you're not.

Sorry to derail your thread op. I raise river. There's too many 2prs, odd bluffs or weird sets in his range. River value is where the $$$ is at.

When you have position and your villain wants to play for stacks. "C'mon man get the money in". You can't have TPTK vs a draw everytime.

For the sake of this thread I won't comment on this.

/derail

Do you realise what 'effective stack' means?

You are effectively sitting with $450 against this guy. $450 is as much as either he or you could win or lose.

Also, if people see that you become spewy when you have a large stack you will be called lighter rather than gaining FE which completey ass-****s your 'strategy'.

Sweet mercy WFT?

You guys are derailing the thread asking me if villain c/r blah blah, villain checked the turn. Bet to blow him off his hand or get more money in the pot so no river card kills your raise or action.

I think if he rivered a flush he would bet more.. so you can probably raise here for value

Maybe, that's the key. He could have a small flush or betting for value. If we raise he pushes do you call? Or do you shove this river?

I would just call the river bet.

i think e flopped a set raise 100

Raise to $125 and fold to a shove.

As mentioned before, I think the post right above this has the optimal line IF villain will not call a shove with 2 pair/set. Do we have any idea how wide he'll call a shove here? Do we suspect shoving folds out all worse hands?

Looks like there's ~$70 in the pot on the flop? I'd bet less, like $35 or 40. No draws whatsoever and a rainbow flop. Turn I'd also check behind when he calls. You don't fire again even picking up equity because you are in a bad position if he raises. On the river, his bet looks like a value bet for a badly played set or two pair. Raise to $150 and fold to a shove, I guess.

As Vernon said, shove is he is cally enough. Way more worse made hands than flushes in his range. If not raise/fold.

Raise to about 135 and fold to a shove.

I like raise the river to get value out of the most likely holdings he can have , fold to a shove since hes passive

I am not a huge fan of min raises but this seems like a good spot to put in a small raise, villain is never jamming over that raise without a flush most likely so you can b/f even if the math seems against it IMO.

I don't min the turn check if we get c/r on the turn jamming is like the worst idea ever.