I have a lot of history with both villains. They view me as a fairly tight but winning player.

V1. Loose passive rec. Willing to fold to me on A high boards though because he thinks I always have AK.
V2 plays a little too wide pre and mostly face up abc/nitty post. Bluffs from time to time but not very much.

1k effective.

V1 limp, H$25 BU JThh, v2 calls, v1 calls.

Flop: As9h2s.

Pot:$75.

Xx H$25, both call. I don’t read either call as being strong.

Pot: $125.

Turn: Js

Xxx

River Jx.

V $100.

If we don’t think this hand has enough SDV to call it’s probably our best candidate to bluff. We could also just exploit never have bluffs here against recs and just raise our value.

Just call and hope he's value betting A5o

Edit: Didn't see the flush draw

I'm still calling pretty fast here he can be valuing two pair or random aces like Javi said.

Given your small sizing otf, this is at minimum a call OTR, I'd be looking to value raise otr to get called by Ax and then fold if he came over the top

V1 limped from which position? V2 is BB? Which V bet river?

As played, call vs. that sizing. Hero line looks pretty weak with 1/3 PSB flop & turn check back.

Flop - I'd check this back. Confused at the sizing 3-way.

Id call river

Flop is fine

+1.

Though I would usually go $30-35 when stabbing OTF here. Minor stuff.
Have to call imo.

Is this at SKC? Min raise and LOL when they call with Ace no kicker.

If this is the villain who always puts you on AK but called flop and now bets into you think he has AK beat. On this board it means 99 22 flush. Loose passive decides to bet.

Without reads this should be within your call range.

Well KJ and QJ would always be called before this hand. This might be a mixed frequency thing OTR. It also might be higher EV to raise here and better as an exploit but I'm not 100%.

I'm trying to think of better bluffs. You can have off suit hands like AxK or AxQ that checked the turn and they block AJ and Villain's strongest flush draws so those would probably be bluffed first. That's like 6 combos right there and that is probably enough (We can have 3 combos of AA/6 combos of AJ/3 combos of 99 so that is actually a perfect 2:1 ratio). But we wouldn't always play them this way.

Also since this is not a range cbet OTF you should be sizing up your cbets. $50-$60 is much better than $25. PIO never uses 1/3 cbet sizing unless it is on a lock down board. And also since there is a FD on board and you are against 2 ranges instead of 1 - it makes more sense to go lower frequency - higher sizing.

But yeah call river.

Ive seen quite a number of board textures where PIO 1/3 yet it’s counterintuitive. eg a good amount of monotone boards surprisingly.

Also people just play like dogcrap vs this sizing so it’s whatever

yeah i guess i should have been more specific with "lock down boards"

I consider lock down boards = monotone boards/paired boards.

GTO is weird for sure.

Reading you guys discuss GTO strat has definitely made me a better player.

Sweet - yeah just typing my thoughts out helps me internalize it more. I only bought a solver around 4 months ago and it can be overwhelming a lot of the time.

But I try to just isolate certain spots that come up often and work on those first. Then try to work backwards to see why it makes a certain play - because memorizing every spot would be impossible.

$265 on river buddy

Ya, I don’t think I have a clue for a lot of spots what a solver would suggest but there’s been a few common spots that have been discussed enough times now that I feel it’s improved my critical thinking in a variety of spots. Better bluff spots, better call downs, etc. Just overall more solid.
Less leaky/More robotic.

I see what you’re thinking here, but I don’t think this is the spot for that.

Easy shove

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Turning our hand into a bluff would be suicidal.

Never folding trips given the action. Having said that, also never raising with v betting 80% pot on the river with the flush out there. I expect V to have some flushes, mostly aces with a decent kicker, once in a blue moon AJ and a few Jx hands.

Interesting debate on flop sizing. Ended up calling and losing to Q7ss. I think I should have found a fold vs this player when he bets into two people on the river since V1 is still uncapped but call might not be bad and I could just be being results oriented.

Interesting discussion on flop sizing.

Based on other hands I’ve seen since and from what another player told me I don’t think he’s ever folding a better hand to a raise.

I’ve definitely noticed that ppl play like dog rap against this sizing and so I fire 1/3rd pot a lot. More than I probably should even.

@badreg

Not surprised you lost, but I still think call river is best.

If flop bet went bet 25 call call shouldnt the pot size be 150 otr?

River looks a like a call or fold. If you have tons of history with these guys no one will have a better answer than you on whether its a call or fold. If the v who bet river is nitty post thinking he would have all sorts of spade combos would make sense. You only need to have the best hand here around 28% of the time to be b/e. I am assuming the passive v in between you guys folded? If I view someone as nitty and its a spot like this where they don't have any bluffs folding here seems fine.