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03-11-2012 , 11:02 PM

11t

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Table started probably 30 minutes ago.

Reads: Villain is relative unknown, we were playing for like 10 hands at a previous table (1/3) while they were setting up this 2/5 table. He is an older guy and does not appear to be completely incompetent. He does not appear to open limp much and opens to 3xbb but overall appears fairly passive.

Hero is in MP with Q

Effective stacks ~ 350

Folds to hero who raises to 20
folds to Villain in BB who calls

Pot is ~40
Flop is J

Villain checks
Hero bets 30
Villain calls

Pot is ~95
Turn is 2

Villain checks
Hero bets 75
Villain calls

Pot is 245
River is 3

Villain checks with 220 behind
Hero...

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03-11-2012 , 11:08 PM

hondizls

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I would bet/fold 80-150 depending on what you think would get a call. I would think that a set, two pair or a flush would have come over the top at some point. I think you are ahead of his range there and a a check raise bluff would not be in his reportoire

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03-11-2012 , 11:10 PM

AcePlayerDeluxe

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Could have a A-K-Q-TdJx type of hand and might give us some action on a ~$100 bet. Against passive players, though, I really don't mind checking back. Small chance you get paid off on one pair hands, and if he does call it's not like we are fist pumping. I can see a passive player showing up with flushes and sets here. I hate value owning myself against these types of players.

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03-11-2012 , 11:21 PM

High__Rolla

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I'm probably making a small value bet here to target the Jx in his range. Maybe bet 75 again.

I can't see him slowplaying a flush this long because he can't trust u to bet the river. There are few 2pr combos on this board that he could have played passively. I suppose a flopped set could take this passive of a line. He could have backed into Ad4x. Nonetheless, I think there are several Jx hands that take this line and may call a small bet on the end. So, go for the value. If you never value own yourself, then you aren't value betting enough.

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03-11-2012 , 11:55 PM

Dave D

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Honestly I check river here. I don't think it's likely he has A4 or something but I'd rather not get check/raised. Very likely he was on diamond draw which folds to a bed. Only thing that calls is like TP

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03-11-2012 , 11:58 PM

jack492505

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Super easy smallish vbet. You aren't getting c/red often and almost never as a bluff so it won't be too difficult if you do.

I think you have the best hand here a whole lot. I also think he's going to fold a lot of hands you're beating, but that doesn't mean this isn't a good spot for a thin vbet.i think he most frequently has a pair+diamond or big diamond with some type of draw.

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03-12-2012 , 12:05 AM

wWizardG

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hm..

If we were deeper, I'd probably v-bet this without even really thinking twice. In a deep game, he has to raise the turn with a flush, otherwise he's playing a small pot for no reason.

But considering how shallow the stacks are, I think villain could totally take a passive line here with a flush. You bet $75 on the turn, which probably makes villain think that you're betting the river, too.

Checking back here is totally reasonable. Personally, I think I'd lean towards betting. It's AJ pretty often, imo.

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03-12-2012 , 12:07 AM

Pay4Myschool

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I will go on a limb and tank shove here if our image is LAG; Our line will look like a busted FD for his Jx range and his busted draws will be annoyed by our ship regardless.

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03-12-2012 , 12:14 AM

jack492505

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Originally Posted by Pay4Myschool

I will go on a limb and tank shove here if our image is LAG; Our line will look like a busted FD for his Jx range and his busted draws will be annoyed by our ship regardless.

I think against a different villain this might be nice. But I think older guys that tend to think more in terms of absolute hand strength are just gonna say think "my top pair isn't worth $200 here with a three flush out, I fold."

Also, I think since we have limited information, the more "standard" play here is probably better until we have a better idea how he thinks.

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03-12-2012 , 12:22 AM

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11t

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Again we have no real reads, like 20 hands with villain and villain definitely has no information on us

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