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05-19-2012 , 12:12 PM
10 handed 2/5 game, Hero has approx 650 behind and in the sb.
Villain has about 900 behind and is UTG+1
Really good table btw, good action.

Been at the table for about 2 hours and have been playing pretty straight up not trying to get out of line. Had also just won the previous pot in the BB.

Villain has been the easiest to get read on. Girl in probably mid 20s and bluffs A LOT. Has shown some bluffs on bigger pots and has been caught a few times on smaller pots. Loves action and is in a lot of hands. Saw her make one questionable PF call to big 3 bet that she won the pot when a marginal hand hit the nuts. I have not played a pot heads up with her till now also.

Villain raises utg1 $15
folds around to me with QQ in sb, I flat call (feel free to grill me later) BB folds

flop comes J Q 2

I bet $35 villain calls

turn is 10 i bet 60$ villain min raises $120???

from here? thoughts
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05-19-2012 , 12:28 PM
Preflop I would 3bet. You have a very strong hand, villain is loose and has called a big 3bet with a marginal hand in the past, you are out of position, and BB is still to act. All of these factors argue for a big 3bet to get money into the pot and to cut down on SPR.

I don't really like the flop donk. Villain is a bluffer and will very likely c-bet the flop. Let her. I really don't mind a c/c, x/r line here because the board is fairly dry and it seems villain will fire the turn. I'd either go with this line or I'd just x/r the flop.

As played the turn min raise scares me. I can't fold because you have top set and you are against a bluffer, but I don't really like a 3bet. I'd just call with the intention of calling very often on the river to keep her bluffs in her range.
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05-20-2012 , 04:55 PM
Yeh, check the flop with the intention of c/ring the flop or the turn. Just call the turn raise, hope for the board to pair and c/c the river unimproved. If villain makes a huge bet on the river, reevaluate.
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05-20-2012 , 05:11 PM
If she bluffs a lot and loves action isn't there a good chance this is a semi-bluff with 3 to the straight and 2nd club hitting the turn? And if she loves action shouldn't we be looking to get more money in here? The bet size is definitely strange and sets off bells; do we have any reads on her bet sizing from previous hands? Also, you say she's in a lot of hands; is she typically the aggressor preflop or is she usually limping/calling raises? I'm curious what her range would be with the UTG+1 raise pre. If she raises often pre then I think we can beat a lot of hands in her range, includingKQ, KJ, Ax of clubs, etc.

If we do flat are we just checking the river? I feel like we're losing a lot of value by flatting the 4th nuts on the turn. That being said, the turn minraise could be super strong. Against an aggressive opponent though I think I like making it like $240ish planning on calling a shove and picking off a semibluff or even a flopped set / 2 pair.
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05-20-2012 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by RunCool13
Villain has been the easiest to get read on. Girl in probably mid 20s and bluffs A LOT.
I'm never in a million years folding to this player with top pair or better and will never have any qualms getting it all in...

Just play straight up FFS, 3bet pre, bet flop and give her a chance to "put you on AK" and try to steal it from you on flop.

If you had played straightforward turn would have sucked and killed your action. But as is, vs this player, it gives her a chance to continue her bluffs and actually gives her a ton of pair + OESD combos and 2pair combos so that's good for us.

As played, I don't mind the donk bets. Actiony players never fold and will almost always try to outplay you as long as you give them room to manuever and raise.

I like a min-ish raise back making it $240. Whenever you have bluffy action players they absolutely cannot fold to a minraise and think that you are trying to "outplay" them and thus they take it as a direct assault on their egos and will spazz out. So min raise back and call any shove. If she calls, come river I'd bet out $100 so she can spazz shove river

If she got lucky and has the straight, meh, its a cooler
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05-20-2012 , 07:01 PM
You already know it, 3bet to 55-60 pre here and call the turn.
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05-20-2012 , 07:33 PM
although AK, K9s and 89s are in her range there are so many other hands as well:
KK+ q10, j10, qj (althoguht the case queen would be unliely) even kj, j9o or j9 of clubs

I would flat the turn and re-evaluate on the river
bet the river if you boat up and c/c if you dont
dont go for a c/r OTR if you boat up bc she will check behind with a str8


as for preflop: ???????? 3bet these players all day with QQ wtf

I guess you want to outplay her postflop but still the only hand I trap with is AA

so many crappy hands can outflop you Ax Ax suited Kx

always 3bet especially in SB
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05-20-2012 , 08:37 PM
i like the flat with QQ in sb. you have a very disguised strong hand against a LAG. personally, i prefer to do this in position.
the flop comes, and i don't understand why you donk bet. She almost can never have a q in her hand, so the only hand your gonna get called by is K10 and if she is that aggresive is it not better to check raise so she can bet her jacks too?

anyway, the turn you lead for 60, i don't like that. it's an obvious scare card and it's also obvious you don't have AK when you bet that much. but she either has it or is representing it with a big hand KJ, AJ, 9-10 and all the other combos. you can check raise the river if another duck poops out as the top of your range is two pair,

but good flat preflop or you'll be playing for stacks on the turn

you say many times that she bluffs alot, well either way its a call on the turn not a raise, if she bluffing she fold, if she have you beat she call, then reevaluate river
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05-20-2012 , 11:16 PM
Obviously 3bet PF... you just mentioned that she will call it off with marginal hands; you're losing value by not 3betting your premiums.

As played, I like your line on flop and turn. I think I come over the top of her minraise... we're never folding here, so we might as well get it in. Re-minraise! give her a chance to go crazy with her combo draw. We're so rarely getting paid off when she whiffs the river, AND we are so rarely folding on the river. Flatting is just too weak.
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05-20-2012 , 11:36 PM
on the turn i do re raise to 250 and she flats. river comes 9 diamonds.

sucks being out of position here. Thoughts on how to play river??? C/F??
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05-21-2012 , 07:40 AM
Lead the flop?

I would check raise an amt. as if to attempt to piss her off. (As if i am running over a girl) Maybe 2.5x to 3x.

As played you have painted yourself into a corner, and if I found myself here I would call and have to soul read her bet sizing on river. This certainly looks a ton like AK, but certainly is not that hand 100%.

If she does semi-bluff / bluff a lot I guess I would have to call the river. Against most non creative players this will be AK a ton, but against her....well who knows. if you really thought she would min raise a draw then going ahead on the turn would be ok but i just see this as an excuse to overplay a big hand waaaay more than it actually is spewy play by the villain.

Note" Calling flop and minraising turn = MONSTER for most villains, even the bluffy ones.

Last edited by AintNoLimit; 05-21-2012 at 07:48 AM.
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05-21-2012 , 11:09 PM
Preflop - you said she calls 3 bets light. So, 3bet for value here.

Flop - As played, I would check this flop so that this aggro V will cbet her entire range. Then, you can c/r to invite her to play a big pot.

Turn - As played, you have created an awkward situation with the stack sizes with a bet/3bet line. I don't like your min reraise becuase it is so small she can continue with any draw she was semibluffing and you are left with a guessing game otr. After she minraises you, you could ship but again the sizing is awkward since its a bit of an overbet, but a lesser amount either commits you or lays great odds.

River - As played, the 9 is a horrible card that hits her continuing range hard. I don't think she has AK, because why wouldn't she just ship the turn after you put in the 2nd raise. But, there are several Kx hands in her range like KQ, KJ, KT, K9, Kc2c. 98 could have call the turn as well. On the other hand, she may bluff missed clubs like Ac2c, QcXc, AcXc (floated flop). Would she value bet less than a straight? For >95% of 2-5NL players, this is a no. So, I would check to her and if she bets, she is polarized to a bluff or straight. I think there are more Kx hands in her range, so I probably fold.
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