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2/5 QQ getting squeezed?? 2/5 QQ getting squeezed??

08-19-2015 , 11:25 AM
I'm not sure if this is truly a question or a complete level.

You took your hand and turn it into an effective bluff by shoving 250bb. Let's get that straight.

You also lucked out that both of your villain's had the very bottom of their calling ranges.

On a scale from 0-10 (worst-best) how bad was this play? i'd say somewhere hovering around a 2.5 or so.
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08-19-2015 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by fuxxnuts
I'm not sure if this is truly a question or a complete level.

You took your hand and turn it into an effective bluff by shoving 250bb. Let's get that straight.

You also lucked out that both of your villain's had the very bottom of their calling ranges.

On a scale from 0-10 (worst-best) how bad was this play? i'd say somewhere hovering around a 2.5 or so.
I agree the play was terrible, hence the post, was looking for ideas how other people would have played this. I also think they were close to the Top of their calling ranges..how much better can they get 2 hands? AA/KK??
I was trying to make it a semi-bluff. I would have been happy taking it down PF.
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08-19-2015 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by poyo
I agree the play was terrible, hence the post, was looking for ideas how other people would have played this. I also think they were close to the Top of their calling ranges..how much better can they get 2 hands? AA/KK??
I was trying to make it a semi-bluff. I would have been happy taking it down PF.
Define the calling range of the villains of your shove, then take a look at your post above.
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08-19-2015 , 11:55 AM
I'm not defending the shove, it was terrible. I thought I got lucky when I saw the 2 AK hands.
But along the same lines I thought alot of the PF callers had to have broadway type hands in their range. Some kind of blockers to A's and K's.??
My thinking is probably way skewed(hence the loss).
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08-19-2015 , 01:18 PM
What the hell did v2 think v1 had
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08-19-2015 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by poyo
I'm not defending the shove, it was terrible. I thought I got lucky when I saw the 2 AK hands.
But along the same lines I thought alot of the PF callers had to have broadway type hands in their range. Some kind of blockers to A's and K's.??
My thinking is probably way skewed(hence the loss).
This logic is not skewed.. Every limp is weighted towards higher starting hand values, therefore, the likelihood of each additional caller having a specific high card hand is reduced.. Obviously, this is theory, and it is based on huge sample sizes, not each individual hand.. But the math works that way.

This theory is used a lot in Omaha HL games. Limpers imply low cards, thus, the value of the HIGH more valuable, as there are less low cards in the stub and less and less split pots..

YMMV trying to use theses theories when facing 4 bets UTG with QQ though!!
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