cbet mandatory.

I bet HP on river. Checking back very decent hands vs live players is -EV and prolly one error that i see more than most (of the standard play type errors). Sure its a bit thin, but there are just a bazillion more hands that villain might call a small bet from, vs the few times he has KQ and we valuecut.

So what kind of range would villain conceivably call river with that hero beats? To villains really call down that light??

I can't think of many. I see more hands calling a turn raise than river check/bet.

Turn raise smells like possible float/bluff, and a lot of live players would flat flush, hoping to get paid on river CR.

If we're betting the river, I would rather raise on the turn for the same value and check behind. At least then, we know clearly where we're at, and we're probably more likely to be called than on the river with hands we beat.

Tbh i am completley lost in this hand as i have almost never been in such a marginal spot (i probably have the most uber-polarised range) and am very interested in how to play this as i want to start going for thin-value.

Seems logical as crap to think this way. Yes.




But go ahead and bluff half pot in pots like these and see how often you hate life scratching your head when villain rakes the pot. Online-Low % Live-high%

what i was saying is, if i ended up betting river, i'm still folding to a shove. personally i check back river though.

KUD, i'm not sure how much of villain's range will actually c/c river to give us value. i don't think he has Qx here very often. his range is so wide on the turn, Qx is just a very small component of it. furthermore, he is likely to continue OTR with hands that have decent SDV. the fact that he checked further tilts his range towards hands with little to no SDV, meaning he will either c/f or c/r bluff us. this does not seem optimal.

because of this, and the fact that we rarely get value from worse here imo, i don't see the point of betting. neither of the likely scenarios (c/f or c/r from villain) are good for us.

haha that explains things a bit. i was wondering why he would c/shove here that much..

why is it not good for us to b/c if he will c/r bluff us here

it's reads dependent. this would also be a line he would take with his good hands if he's "super tricky" and "due to his image, get's paid off when he hits". if we bet with the intention to call a c/r, we're betting to induce. i would only want to do that if his c/r range OTR was heavily weighted towards bluffs.

KUD has said he's probably folding to a c/r, so i'm guessing his read was to the contrary of that.

consequently i don't know if we can call if he c/r. so i'd rather not bet.

what i know with more certainty is that he's not c/c a lot here. imo. he's mostly c/f or c/r.

cliffs: it comes down to reads. if i had a good read on this guy that he's c/r bluffing a big portion of the range he led turn with, i'm happy to bet medium size to induce and then snap him off. if i don't have that read, i'm checking back.

I doubt hes going to c/r like AQ or some unlikely two pair or a set with the flush out there though, and isn't he more likely to lead with a flush?

i could see him abusing his image by c/r river with his good made hands. not sure, would depend on my exact read

i think we would be hard pressed to find the few super lags that would c/r bluff allin this river. People spend time worrying about how an ultima-play is being put on them, but in reality its pretty much just standard poker most of the time.

Queen on the turn was a good card for you since flop was checked through. I think you'll get looked up with a variety of 1-pair hands from villain in this spot and a vbet of about 2/3 pot seems about right.

Not sure if you listen to the Deuce Plays podcast but the last episode which came out yesterday discusses river spots and there is a hand very similar to this discussed.

I would have c-bet the flop for a few reasons - nitty image, board texture and balancing your range. Nothing wrong with taking the pot down w/Q-high and not having to show.

Turn - call as played.

River - Hero bet would show strength, and V knows when to fold, thus I don't think they are calling with a loser here. We also leave ourself vulnerable to the cr as already mentioned.

Value bet river 100%. People will call with worse a ton, plus I wouldn't expect them to have you out-kicked very often.

Villains who are even close of capable of C/R bluffing on the river stick out like a sore thumb in live poker and are virtually non-existent at 1/2 and 2/5 limits. You have to bet here for thin value since you will get called by worse often enough. (thin value means that YES you will value-own yourself sometimes when they call with a winner by long term those spots will add +EV)

Not a spot to be a showdown monkey. I think villain will just continue by leading river with anything >QJ.

I also now agree that cbetting the flop would have been correct

It shouldn't **** your head up, I check baby flushes and call all the time. If it gets checked through I just say"I tried to trap you" even though I just wanted to see a cheap showdown and not get raised off a baby flush.

Sometimes when you merge, you level yourself.


Good post by the way.

OMG that guys a moron

Love the sizing, love the bet, love the intent, lol at the result. Hey, no good deed in poker goes unpunished.

Should also give a few players an idea of what range villain would have if he chk shoved.

LOL

I would not over-think this one, I think you played it perfect.

I c-bet flop, but it looks good as played. LOL @ what he turned over. Sheesh, I love live Poker.