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07-29-2019 , 10:11 AM

businessdude

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V seems very straightforward to me so far in the few hours I've played with him - haven't seem him do anything tricky or even bluff.

I call his $20 EP raise from button wit T

with one other caller.

FLop (60) T

V bets 35, 1 fold, I call.

Turn(130) 5

V bets 75, - how often to raise vs call here?

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07-29-2019 , 10:27 AM

sixsevenoff

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Calling here 100% of the time...If he's barrelling a draw, we leave him in on the river and get to call off a lot of the time, and also have a lot of outs if we're currently behind...If we raise, we don't get much better to fold, if anything, and only get called by worse

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07-29-2019 , 10:29 AM

Ranma4703

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Yeah the spot to consider a raise was the flop, your strong hands aren't flatting the flop pretty much ever and the turn doesn't change anything.

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07-29-2019 , 10:38 AM

Sigh I Call

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Well with 2 flush draws out there our open ended straight draw is basically a gutshot now.

Just call and evaluate river.

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07-29-2019 , 10:42 AM

sixsevenoff

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Originally Posted by Ranma4703

Yeah the spot to consider a raise was the flop, your strong hands aren't flatting the flop pretty much ever and the turn doesn't change anything.

Agreed, but I'm still just flatting the flop

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07-29-2019 , 11:11 AM

JeffChang

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Fold. Villain is straight forward. What are you trying to represent here? You aren’t getting paid hitting the straight.

If you want help with a bluff need stack size information.

Straight forward players do not bet draws.

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07-29-2019 , 01:18 PM

businessdude

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sorry - stacks about 1000 effective pre

also fwiw, immediate previous hand, I 3bet his raise with AKs in SB, bet the flop with 4 to flush, checked after flush comes on turn, then got river bet paid off, so did play it a little tricky

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07-29-2019 , 03:34 PM

Amanaplan

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I don’t see a combo draw

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07-29-2019 , 03:42 PM

sixsevenoff

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Originally Posted by Amanaplan

I don’t see a combo draw

Pair + oesd

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07-29-2019 , 04:02 PM

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Koko the munkey

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A combo draw is a flush draw and a straight draw. A pair plus OESD is just that.

Calling the flop is standard. The turn is either a fold or a call, never a raise. With the reads you have on this villain, the turn is a fold.

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07-29-2019 , 05:11 PM

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businessdude

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I think even a straightforward player could barrel twice with AK/AQ/AJs/ KQs/KJs, so folding a hand with SD value seems too tight. Also, like I said, haven't played a lot of hours with V.

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07-29-2019 , 05:11 PM

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wj94

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Raise flop and make him hate his life, especially if deeper stacked. Effective stacks matter though...should probably include that info in your post

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07-29-2019 , 05:13 PM

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wj94

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Originally Posted by businessdude

I think even a straightforward player could barrel twice with AK/AQ/AJs/ KQs/KJs, so folding a hand with SD value seems too tight. Also, like I said, haven't played a lot of hours with V.

Very few people will double barrel with just overs on this board. It's an absolutely terrible flop for the EP raiser vs the button caller and leading with overcards is just burning money...but people are also stupid so you never know.

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07-29-2019 , 05:15 PM

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wj94

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Originally Posted by Koko the munkey

Folding turn would be terrible, hero can also bluff lots of rivers that are bad for V

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07-29-2019 , 05:22 PM

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businessdude

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Originally Posted by wj94

Raise flop and make him hate his life, especially if deeper stacked. Effective stacks matter though...should probably include that info in your post

added in post 7

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07-29-2019 , 05:26 PM

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wj94

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Originally Posted by businessdude

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$1k eff I am definitely raising flop

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07-29-2019 , 05:59 PM

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Spanishmoon

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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff

Agreed, but I'm still just flatting the flop

Hey 67o - why not raise this flop?

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07-29-2019 , 06:20 PM

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sixsevenoff

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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon

Hey 67o - why not raise this flop?

We beat all of villain's bluffs and have a lot of equity vs his value range

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07-29-2019 , 06:29 PM

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wj94

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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff

We beat all of villain's bluffs and have a lot of equity vs his value range

Sounds like a good reason to raise

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07-29-2019 , 06:36 PM

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sixsevenoff

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Originally Posted by wj94

Sounds like a good reason to raise

To narrow his range to hands that primarily have us beat?

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07-29-2019 , 06:55 PM

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wj94

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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff

To narrow his range to hands that primarily have us beat?

There are two more streets to play and V is OOP with a likely 1 pair hand that won't improve. So yes. V could also have a hand like AK/AQ/KQ/KJ/QJ that we can deny equity/get value from.

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07-30-2019 , 02:29 AM

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Amanaplan

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Calling down is bad.

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07-30-2019 , 07:10 AM

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MikeStarr

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If youre not going to raise this flop, stop calling raises with hands like T9s. You'll never make a profit with them playing this way...ie...just trying to hit 2 pair or better.

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