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08-05-2019 , 01:22 AM

momo_uk

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2/5 vs V ($800, UTG) old middle eastern reg who Mississippi-straddles $10 every hand. But mostly fit-fold post IMO but not 100% sure.

Hero ($750, SB tight image).

BTN ($500, drooler whale calling ATC pre and post)

BTN open limps, Hero raises QsQh to $50, V calls, BTN calls

Flop ($155): 998hhs
Hero bets $85, V snapraises to $200, BTN folds, Hero ???

I really want to call but it really feels like he’s moving in OTT so I have to decide now.

Last edited by momo_uk; 08-05-2019 at 01:42 AM.

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08-05-2019 , 01:34 AM

ashtona

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I'd call and take a turn here

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08-05-2019 , 01:43 AM

momo_uk

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Originally Posted by ashtona

I'd call and take a turn here

What’s your plan for the turn though?

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08-05-2019 , 01:53 AM

ashtona

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Originally Posted by momo_uk

What’s your plan for the turn though?

bink a queen

in all seriousness, vs a player who is straddling every orbit I'm getting ready to call down unless turn brings in obvious draws for V

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08-05-2019 , 01:58 AM

momo_uk

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Originally Posted by ashtona

bink a queen

in all seriousness, vs a player who is straddling every orbit I'm getting ready to call down unless turn brings in obvious draws for V

So you’re folding all heart turns even though we have the Qh? What if it’s like a black T or J?

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08-05-2019 , 02:57 AM

ashtona

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Originally Posted by momo_uk

So you’re folding all heart turns even though we have the Qh? What if it’s like a black T or J?

Take it with a grain of salt, impossible to truly range V. But in this example, QsQh has a healthy 48% equity and can easily continue.

Best turns for us are the two queens and two nines, followed by non-heart 2s-6s.
Best turns for V are 7s, 8s, Ts, and offsuit Ax that improve Axhh to top pair, and hearts.

https://ibb.co/m6wM7S0

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08-05-2019 , 03:06 AM

ashtona

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Also, 150BB deep and OOP to two players in a straddled pot, I prefer the passive approach of x/c some overpairs on a flop where both opponents can have many strong hands

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08-05-2019 , 03:12 AM

ashtona

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Our equity drops to 41% on black T, but hardly drops on black J, likely because we block QT and are still cruising against JT, and removes some J9 from the opponents range

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08-05-2019 , 04:01 AM

donkatruck

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Did nobody read description of V? H says he's fit or fold post.

Our smallish c-bet gives V good odds to call with any draw in position. If we give him credit raising a draw, why would he raise so small? To me, this feels like 9x more than anything. And TT-JJ more than a draw.

I guess you can call and hope to bink a Q or pick up a draw with a T or a heart. Against V as described I would prob fold.

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08-05-2019 , 04:41 AM

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momo_uk

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Originally Posted by donkatruck

He proceeded to bluff off 2-3k bluffing with middle and bottom pairs, missed draws etc to others later.. so I guess bad read and bad fold..

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08-05-2019 , 04:47 AM

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momo_uk

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Also, 150BB deep and OOP to two players in a straddled pot, I prefer the passive approach of x/c some overpairs on a flop where both opponents can have many strong hands

Yeah but doesn’t that leave us in the dark when we say xc $75-100 OTF, and face another big bet on a blank turn? We level ourselves into calling down because we underrepped our hand.

BTN was a complete whale so I wasn’t really worried, but UTG would confuse me if I checked and he kept betting.

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08-05-2019 , 07:50 AM

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samo

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Fold - given V descript, and whale yet to act. Hero also blocks some FD combos.

Higher pre given the BTN image.

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