Posting from phone so sorry for grammatical errors and such. Min $300 no max buy in. 9 players max with $6 time drop per half hour.

Hero($885): Late 20's Asian, sunglasses, looks 19, just moved to table about an hour ago. Took down a few small pots. Few hands ago, called down an old man with 33 on a JJ749 board vs KK. Bet line went 20/20/30/30. Did not show. Not a regular in this room, but plays here once or twice a month.

Villain 1($720): early 20's white male wearing a baseball cap. Playing tight and straightforward it seems. Has never played with hero.

Villain 2 (covers): late 30's Asian male. Has raised pre several pots. Seems competent and doesn't Cbet every flop. Has never played with hero.

7 handed. V1 opens utg 20. Folds to V2 otb who calls. Sb folds and hero calls in bb with KQcc.

Flop: 578ccc.

Hero checks. V1 bets 40. V2 makes it 110. Hero calls as does V1.

Turn: As

Hero leads 350 with 405 behind.

Led turn bc I wanted to get big fat value from AcX and sets. I didn't want the turn to check thru. Should have I reraised flop or check jam turn? Stack sizes are awkward after the flop. Pretty standard but just looking for other opinions.

Well with v2 raising this cbet not too large (2.75x) it sure looks a lot like Ac/6c/sets+

This flop is so incredibly wet and this action is escalating fast I really dont like 3betting the flop where we can potentially be put into a very puke spot if shoved on or 4bet or called and having to play a turned club...

Also clearly we would like to keep V1 if we wont be planning to re-escalate and possibly get stacks in on this flop. To be sure I dont think its half bad to 3bet flop and shove non-club non-pairing turns, but I think its better to control that variance a bit, once we see the turn and then equity of sets and nut club draws is cut to shreds we can feel a lot more comfortable getting stacks in and its unlikely that BOTH villians are folding anyways at that point... (maybe one)

I think the turn donk is a great move for its fat value and it also makes your hand look like Ac and obviousy the real Ac is continuing now anyways... also you charge sets which would surely chk turn and even Ac which might check turn

It just sucks that we lose the straights and two pairs but there shouldnt be too many of those anyways (i dont know if villian 1 calls flop raise with much other than sets or Ac, and whichever of those he may have, i think villian 2 probably has the other...or one of them has flopped a lower or nut flush) and we lose the opportunity to check/shove obviously but I think thats more than compensated for by the times the turn checks through which is definitely pretty disastrous here, so wp nh

I'd prefer leading this flop. Check-raising or calling a raise OOP on this board looks *very* strong.

As played, I think donking the turn is the right move. You're obviously committing yourself to calling any raise. I might bet a bit smaller in the hopes that villains mistakenly decide there's fold equity in a semibluff jam. AcXo isn't going to semibluff once you've committed half your stack.

Then again, AcXo usually isn't going to semibluff this pot anyway. Betting larger gives worse implied odds to the hands that have a live draw against you. There's some value in that, since there are a lot of gross river cards where you'll have to consider puke-calling.

Sierradave pretty well nailed it. I'd prefer a lead OTF because nobody expects you to have a nutted hand donking the flop. Now we've flatted the 3b pre, unless the villains are total droolers they have to know we are super strong so there's a slim chance you'll get a hero fold from a hand that may have given you multiple streets of value.

I like checking flop here because Ac and sets will bet/raise anyway and checking gives an opportunity for an AxJc or AxTc type hand to catch up when they would've just folded to the flop bet.

Against competent players I think flatting and leading is best here because if someone calls the c/r they can easily turn their set or Ac into a bluff in position when the nuts change, and flopped smaller flushes(which these players shouldn't have very often w/ all the blockers) aren't folding to a call and turn lead anyway.

I do believe in this particular spot donking flop or turn makes you get raised or shoved on quite often with better hands, and theyre all hands (AK.sets.2p) that still probably pay you off when you hit your flush (especially if its on river)

If you think villains are calling your turn donk, they would have called you flop c/r too. Then it would have been an easy turn shove. Now you have called flop and showed some strength, you are forced to bet turn because you are scared it will go check check. You only made 60 extra from V1 while you could have made many times more from V2. A on turn hasn,t changed much. You only gave villains cheaper way to draw by calling on flop. What if Xc had fallen on turn.
I m confused. Are you trying to fast play your big hand (scared to be out drawn hence Your turn donk ) or trying to get max value ( and willing to get outdrawn some small percentage of time hence your flop call instead of raise ) ? Decide first what style you want to play.

I think he has decided on flop not to fast play and to pot control somewhat, leading turn isnt going against this plan at all, its simply a well placed value bet when opponents have had their drawing equity cut to shreds, raising flop puts us in a lot of tough spots when we get called and a club turns or the board pairs, avoiding that tough spot is almost priceless.

btw i wouldnt assume villians calling the turn lead means theyre calling the flop 3bet as well, thats a fk of a strong move and they would easily range you on a decent flopped flush and often get away from sets and Ac right there so youre effectively folding out worse hands, and if you dont fold them out and they spike the turn youre now basically commited to paying them.

Agreed. Probably should have led flop. Xr flop looks super strong.

X/R the turn isn't as strong looking as your line: check/call a 3-bet, lead turn. That screams "I have a big flush, IDGAF if you have the A."

+++1
Check cold call 2bet on flop and lead ~psb on turn ? That screams super strength to me. In my experience there is more chances of getting called on flop than on turn. For llsnl villains its almost unfathomable to fold without seeing a card once they put in 100+

but we dont care anymore if we look strong on the turn, Ac is likely stuck now anyways and if not and he folds thats probably a good thing cuz we can hardly get away on a club or paired river with the spr...and the sets already know where theyre at anyways, its crucial we make sure all these hands are paying too much to hit now that their equity is decimated

also the point is not ONLY that our flop 3bet flips our hand faceup, its also that we want to see a safe turn, after that we dont care if we flip our hand face up , and likely villians with Ac dont either (btw leading turn like this actually puts a lot of Ac in OUR range which is perfect vs their sets)

$250/call on turn as played. As others have said, donking flop is probably best.

Results for those interested:

V1 thinks for ~30 seconds and calls. He genuinely didn't look pleased to put chips in. V2 thinks and looks at his cards again, laughs, shows his neighbor his cards, and then folds.

River: 3d. I put in V1's last 240 and he takes about 20 seconds before saying "well, I guess I have to call off since I only have 240 left". I table and he shows AcAx. I'm surprised he just didn't shove turn. Thanks for everyone's input.

wonder what v2 folded, mustve been a straight/lower set/2p?

very weird that v2 flats turn yea, he had a real bad feeling about this one

when the board pairs, are you checkfolding?
what about when a club rivers?

I think youre stuck calling it off either way because in each case you dont know if his draw missed and its 240 into ~1100 ... sick

Every time there's a monotone flop everybody here claims no one has a flush and everyone is bluffing. But the Villain seem to know where he was. On the turn he had 17 outs so there was no way he could fold even though the flop action made it clear you had a flush.

Sort of weird that he didn't fold the river. I guess he paid 240 dollars for peace of mind.

Forgot to mention V2 said he had 6c after the hand was over. In real time, I'm probably check folding club rivers and hating it. If the board pairs, I'm still shoving.

wow 9c/4c on turn wouldve been awesome