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2/5 - OOP with AA in 3bet pot 2/5 - OOP with AA in 3bet pot

07-20-2019 , 10:03 AM
Main villain in this hand is a very tight reg who I've played at least 50hours with over a few years now. Weekend grinder rec player like myself. He's generally aggressive and straightforward ABC. When he's putting a lot of money in the pot he has a real hand. I've never known this guy to get out of line with bluffs or trying to outplay people. He's effective stack of about $600.

Action: UTG straddle is up, 2 limps, aggro-crusher reg raises button to $50.

Hero in SB with AA 3bet to $150
Villain in BB thinks for nearly a minute and flats the $150.
Everyone else folds and we're HU. Pot ~$370

Flop KKQ

Hero check and villain checks back.

Turn 8

Hero?


This has got to be one of the top 3 worst flops to see given the situation here with him just flatting $150. I'm guessing his range is essentially only QQ+ and AK (maybe only AKs). Maybe JJ but I wouldn't put it past him to fold that pre.

Are we checking this again and just trying to go to showdown? Is there any room for a value bet on turn or river? I don't believe he will bet a worse hand on the end if I check it to him 3x. I think my flop check is completely standard and necessary given the ranges here. I will be checking my entire range on this board after 3betting small blind.

Thoughts? Are we just checking all the way and puke folding to any bet? Does he ever have AQs?

Thanks
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07-20-2019 , 10:24 AM
Yeah, wicked gross flop.
I would be x’ing turn again here, but I would call a 1/2 pot or less bet.
After checking river, if V shoved, I would puke in my mouth and find a fold.
If V is decent you are never getting a value bet called here on any street imo.
The chances of V having AQ are less than 5% imo.
The hand you beat is JJ and very little else.
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07-20-2019 , 11:05 AM
His range is almost certainly no where near as tight as you think, and if it is he isn't a crusher. He should honestly be calling with almost all, if not all of his raises considering the price he's getting IP. With that said, 3 bet pre to at least $200.

Flop we have a range advantage and should be being. Pot isn't that big on the flop, btw, it's $337 without rake. I would continue for $150 here.

Turn is a must bet after x flop.
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07-20-2019 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
His range is almost certainly no where near as tight as you think, and if it is he isn't a crusher. He should honestly be calling with almost all, if not all of his raises considering the price he's getting IP. With that said, 3 bet pre to at least $200.

Flop we have a range advantage and should be being. Pot isn't that big on the flop, btw, it's $337 without rake. I would continue for $150 here.

Turn is a must bet after x flop.
I'm thinking you misread the action. The aggro-crusher opened button. Very tight ABC reg flats from Big Blind. Button folds.

Edit* you're definitely missing something because pot is ($150 x 2)+ $50+ $30 + Blinds (minus rake).
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07-20-2019 , 11:40 AM
Yeah, I’m definitely assuming that 67off misread the action above.
V’s range will likely be extremely narrow here and this flop absolutely smashes 80+% of his sensible range holdings.
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07-20-2019 , 11:52 AM
Yeah, I definitely completely misread the pre flop action, sorry.
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07-20-2019 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ralphykid67
Weekend grinder rec player like myself. He's generally aggressive and straightforward ABC.

When he's putting a lot of money in the pot he has a real hand.

I've never known this guy to get out of line with bluffs or trying to outplay people.
Based on these three comments check turn.

If he never bluffing that means the only hand he has that you would mistakenly fold to is the other AA.

Your range looks as strong as his. Play this as you would play AK and QQ here which I think would be another check on turn to this villain.

If it checks back turn bet like 125 on river for thin value. But keep in mind what you thinks your 3 bet range could be that he could even beat based on the hours your played together.

I think he'd have JJ, TT more than AQ here cause he might have expected the aggro reg crusher to come along and because you heavily block the Aces. I also think AK and AQ is further discounted his holding here cause Aggro reg raised then folded which looks more like an Ax hand rather than a pocket pair hand that would set mine or suited connectors that play well.

I think if you are crushed here its more like KK and QQ which puts you in decent shape of the thin value on river.

Last edited by JeffChang; 07-20-2019 at 12:07 PM.
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07-20-2019 , 12:21 PM
First off, I'm raising more preflop with the two limpers. I don't think that's an awful size though. As payed, I think I'm checking here if our read is that this player is never bluffing at us. You're likely being a bit too tight on his range, as JJ and possibly AQ suited could fit here. In any event though, it seems unlikely either of those hands are calling if you bet for thin value, so I think I'm just checking back and likely checking again on any river other than an ace.
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07-20-2019 , 12:49 PM
check call turn

Check / fold river


If he is straight forward and doesn't bluff he won't value a hand like AQ which we block.

His most likely hand is QQ or JJ so if he has the JJ he isn't going to turn it into a bluff with $600 behind.
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07-20-2019 , 06:23 PM
I’d start with a 1/4 psb otf and go from there

Ap checking again
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07-20-2019 , 11:17 PM
Im confused as to the range we're assigning V. At 60BB effective wouldn't be be autoshipping QQ+ AK? I feel like he could show up with TT-JJ fairly often, not that it means we should be stacking off, as he's never stacking off with them, but if it checks to river he could pay off a small bet with JJ
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07-21-2019 , 04:35 PM
SPR is less than 2, I vote BET-GII on the flop
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07-22-2019 , 12:03 PM
Check again and again.

If you think he calls pre with AQ, then small value river, though it sounds like he'd fold pre.
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07-22-2019 , 01:04 PM
Check again. Maybe call a reasonable turn bet.
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07-22-2019 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
I’d start with a 1/4 psb otf and go from there

Ap checking again
+1
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07-23-2019 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
I’d start with a 1/4 psb otf and go from there

Ap checking again
+1 If V is as tight as described, I may even find a x/f OTT and look for better spots to exploit his tightness rather than hope he loosened up on this one hand.

If the turn goes x,x, I x/c almost any river.
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