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03-02-2015 , 12:27 PM
Thanks for the replies.

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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
Raise the flop, you already have a bet and a call, youll get action. Your goal ia to be playing for stacks by the river.
I didnt raise the flop becuase it was so dry and wanted to get calls from behind. Not really any horrible turn cards for us.
I also figured if Villain is C-betting air here he can improve/continue on a lot of picture turns.

I decided to gii on the turn and got snapped.

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Originally Posted by Kyle Saunders
I actually wouldn't be surprised to see this thread end with us getting coolered.
Villain shows TT
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03-02-2015 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by thebigfoot
Could I get examples of some instances, or perhaps what to look for if I decide to open limp/ raise with small pp.

I think some context may help me get a better grasp in understanding.
I consider small pocket pairs to be 66 and below.


1. Folded to you on the button, you look down at 44 what do you do?
2. 3 limpers to you in MP with 66, you know SB or BB can exploit limp callers what do you do?
3. Folded to you in MP, you are playing in passive game. People left of you are prone to limp calling, do you open limp?


It comes down to the table dynamics and where you are seated. There is never a correct answer in every situation. I usually would never open limp in late position ever. I would usually never limp if I know I have very aggressive players to my left that will take advantage of an unopened pot. I will almost never open limp with low pocket pairs even until HJ. Poker is a game of situations and most of situations are going to be different from each other.
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03-02-2015 , 05:49 PM
i think folding is the worst of the 3 options preflop. i would raise everywhere in this hand
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03-02-2015 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by thebigfoot
Thanks for the response!

So just to clarify, I should never open limp 22-55 except in small blind even if I know there will be no raises?
No sorry I meant you should never have an open limping range in any position except the small blind.

I am talking about any hand. Sorry i wasn't clear.

I would raise 55-22 in the SB if folded to me.

People who are limp/calling are doing this because they are playing with really bad players who stack off really light.

So if there's a huge whale then u can just try to set mine but against half decent opponents limp/calling is -ev.
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03-03-2015 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Kyle Saunders
No sorry I meant you should never have an open limping range in any position except the small blind.

I am talking about any hand. Sorry i wasn't clear.

I would raise 55-22 in the SB if folded to me.

People who are limp/calling are doing this because they are playing with really bad players who stack off really light.

So if there's a huge whale then u can just try to set mine but against half decent opponents limp/calling is -ev.
This last bit is wrong.

Limping is totally fine in lots of situations in LLSNL. I come from an online background so I can understand how you learned this viewpoint but conditions in LLSNL are so drastically different that you have to take a step back and consider everything in a new light. Tell me exactly why you think limping and limp calling are bad and ill tell you why they might not e that bad at all. Ill also give you some examples that come up constantly in live play where limping is actually very +EV where raising would likely be -EV!

Last edited by spikeraw22; 03-03-2015 at 09:19 AM.
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03-03-2015 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Kyle Saunders
No sorry I meant you should never have an open limping range in any position except the small blind.
If there are solid/aggro players in late position that are going to 3b a lot of your opens then opening small pairs early is probably -EV since you are forced to fold, get it in really light, or hope for a low flop and be OOP. At 1/2 1/3 this isn't really a concern but at 2/5+ the good players are going to 3b wider in position. I'm usually one to raise pairs from any position but not if there's a 30%+ chance I'm going to be facing a large 3b.
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