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12-23-2011 , 08:39 PM
First post, so any constructive info on posting live hands appropriately is appreciated.

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Villian is TAG but I have only been at the table just over an hour so any reads are based on a small sample of hands. My image is TAG as well. The only hand I showed down at this point was me calling an all in pf with qq to 77 when loose short stack shoved/3bet me for $40 more to my open. He flopped a set and I lost a small pot.

Hero stack: $360
Villain stack: $450

Hero is BB with 3s 2s
MP limps, BTN makes a mistake and is forced to min raise to $10, SB calls, Hero in BB Calls, MP calls.

Flop: 2c 3c 5h

SB opens with $50......hero?

Hero raises to $150, MP calls, and SB folds

Turn: 7s......Hero?

Again, I dont have a tremendous amount of info on Villian, but based on the little reads I do have and table dynamics I felt almost certain he would raise a set on the flop. I have $200 behind. Given his previous play I didnt see him limping with A4/64 and am confident he is never folding a flush draw here. I absolutely hate this spot but given the wet board dynamic I'm hesitant about checking and getting blown off the best hand to a draw....Ok 2+2, give me hell...I derserve it for this one!

Result will follow constructive post....

Thanks
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12-24-2011 , 02:17 AM
as played just jam turn..whats so bad about it? like you said hes not folding flush draws for that price..if he flopped the joint just unlucky and u reload..think u played it fine

edit: after putting in almost half your stack and the turn blanking you gotta ship it
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12-24-2011 , 05:06 AM
You are already committed to the pot. There is no getting around that. You put in 41% of your stack on the flop. Here is the thing. If he has an overpair that he won't fold, except for another large bet, tie him to the pot. The goal is not to win just the pot, but as much as possible. Don't be results oriented. Bet an amount that he may call and will then definately call the river. I know it seems scary, but if he would fold an overpair here to a shove, that is a poor bet then. If he would call say another 100 and absolutely call the last hundred, great. It takes guts on this line, since you risk a bad card coming, but I don't think just shoving is always correct when you decide you are committed. The money will go in no matter what, but that does not mean it has to be on the next street. If he is on a draw, he already paid too much and it is hard to say what he would do either way. He obviously has no clue if he made the call on a draw. I would bet 100 and the rest on the end regardless of what came. Hey may give you the raise on the turn and it can go in, but he might think of it as a discount on the turn for 100. He is a big dog, and you want to get him tied in with an overpair. I would look at your bet sizing on the flop and think about what you will do later with the amount you bet. It was a lot, and you might be behind......?!
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12-24-2011 , 05:40 AM
Def agree I'm committed to the pot and the fact that I knew that makes betting $100 for possible additional value seem much more logical.

Is hero ever just calling SB's open to induce reraise from over pair or nut draw?

Any reasoning for smaller raise from hero on flop?
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12-24-2011 , 02:26 PM
As played, ship turn because there are plenty of hands in his range u are beating.

Preflop - I would give some consideration to semibluff raising after the btn mistakenly minraises. There is 30 in the pot already and no one has shown much strength. Looks like a spot to pickup some cheap chips with a raise and a cbet if necessary.
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12-24-2011 , 03:16 PM
With bigger stacks (like $600+), I'm going to flat the bet on the flop a lot of the time. You don't really want to give people the opportunity to slowplay a flopped set or straight. The turn may counterfeit you putting you in an awkward position, or a 4 may hit, etc.. With your stack size though, I think a raise is fine. After you've put that much in, you've gotta ship turn (I don't like betting anything less here).
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12-25-2011 , 06:12 AM
my mistake here. he lead for 50 on the flop...just knowing that raising is going to commit you...plan it out before you make the raise, so you follow through on your idea. Deeper stacked, I am going to play this pot carefully and not get in deep with bottom two pair. You are essentially playing the hand as two Jokers!! stlightly better than two Aces, but vulnerable. With the shorter stack, I am not afraid to try and draw out value, as I am not afraid of not shipping in the money. Like I said, the goal is to win as much as possible with every bet.
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12-25-2011 , 06:26 AM
Unless villain is some sort of super station, you're really only ahead of flush draw or some sort of combo draw with 4x club.

But since you decided to make such big raise on the flop to commit almost half of your stack...shove and pray he has draws? =)

Hate the hand as played especially without read. I would have played the pot rather small, because this was a limped pot, hero is OOP, and the hand really isn't strong enough to defend or play for stack.

Set of 3's, I'll jam, but bottom 2?
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12-25-2011 , 07:39 AM
What exactly does 'forced to minraise to $10' mean? Does it mean he wanted to limp, fold or raise more?

As played, you have less than a PSB left on the turn, right? Ship it.
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12-25-2011 , 09:07 AM
Just a side note, Why didn't you top off to $500 before the hand? You would have then had the villain covered.

Preflop, im not sure you can count out A4 suited, and if you give him that then A3 and A2 for a combo draw, and any other Ax is also in his range. If you cant give him 46, you cant give him 35 either.

That being said, With $50 in pre, your Pot-sized flop raise is fine. Now with ur read is that he cant have 2 pair and would have raised a set on a super wet board, I'm getting it in here on the turn. You have a STP Ratio of only a half, so hes calling you with any OP and any FD.

If your read is wrong and he did flop a straight, a higher 2 pair, or a set, oh well, time to reload.
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12-25-2011 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb
What exactly does 'forced to minraise to $10' mean? Does it mean he wanted to limp, fold or raise more?
He probably came over the betting line with 2 $5 chips stuck together.
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12-25-2011 , 12:36 PM
Given your stack size behind, what is MP calling range here? I guess your stuck in the hand at this point. What did you give SB in this hand? I hate getting stuck in blind hands I typically wouldn't play. Preflop actions says small pairs that connect with flop are in play (at least in my game)
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12-25-2011 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb
What exactly does 'forced to minraise to $10' mean? Does it mean he wanted to limp, fold or raise more?

As played, you have less than a PSB left on the turn, right? Ship it.
Guy was talking with someone and instead of grabbing 3 $5 chips for a raise, he grabbed 1 $5 chip and 2 $1 chips that don't play other then to post blinds and tip. So, he was forced to raise the min. He realized it right away, but they crossed the betting line and he was committed to a raise.
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12-25-2011 , 05:24 PM
-Villains range on turn is nuts or nut draw....
-I'm never folding once I raise the flop....
-Dumbest thing about the hand is that I actually had the reload chips in my pocket and got side tracked for a few min after I lost a pot and just didn't top off.....
-My biggest concern about his hand wasn't so much weather I should ship on turn or not, but If I should have raised the flop and if so how much? Or if I'm committed than I should switch to thinking about value from OP and FD, not just shoving because I'm committed....
All post were appreciated...Thanks!!!!!

Result:
Hero shoved turn
Villain limped/called min raise with 64o pf and flopped the joint
River blank
Funny thing is he tanks first and i think I'm good. He ask if I have a flush (which wasn't possible) and eventually calls.

Thanks!
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