V limps UTG
1 other limp
H (500) raises to 30 in MP with TT
CO & HJ call
V shoves all-in for 350
Folds to H

V is a tight player and perceives H as a tight player too.

Based on reads and extensive history, H's range is heavily weighted towards AK here which is trying to end the hand right here.

V never plays AQ/QQ/JJ this way and would probably make a small-ish l/rr with AA/KK to get max value and raise other big pairs in EP herself.

So if we are 90%+ sure that V has AK here, is this a ship given the dead money in the pot?

And by that logic, shouldn't any PP be a shove here assuming the other callers always fold?

You have 2 players behind you as well(reads on them would help a bit)....I'd actually just let it go and wait for a better spot. Players play JJ and QQ like this a lot as well since they don't want to be scared off the hand if an overcard hits. This is one of those spots when you're dominated or only a slight favorite...and you're not closing the action.

Side note....Was in the same spot the other day with JJ...guy to my left that flatted my original raise ended up having KK and called as well.

The problem is V has a range of hands and we cannot put V on AK 90%+.

V limps UTG and then squeezes for stacks, I would range V at AA, KK, QQ, AKs, AK.

This gives us 36% equity.

Doing the math the pot is 450 and it is 320 to call. The final pot with a call would be $770 and our equity of 36% = $277.

The EV of a call against that range is -$43.

If we can put V on AK 90%+ then yes a call is +EV.

This is a fold. You have two players behind your who cold called your open. Either of them could have a big hand behind you. Wait for a better spot.

Limp raise live is a very nutted range. Easy fold.

Only when villain is tight and passive.

A lot of loose-aggressives will LRR PPs and AQ-AJs to stop you from bullying their otherwise wide, weak limping ranges.

If your read is accurate, this is a fold. But put some thought into this. Even if you are tight, have you been running well recently? Could he perceive you as a bully?

True I do see this every now and theN.

Guys, let's not diverge the discussion to V's range here because I have enough history with V to know this is nothing but AK 90%+ or maybe even 100% of the time.

Also, the other 2 callers are dead money 100% of the time based on reads.

So strictly based on all of that, is this a +EV shove?

Are you asking if the hand that is ahead right now has enough equity in the pot to call or reshove the shove by V? (ldo, you are 56.48%-57.28% to win, depending on the coverage of your suits by V).

Or are you asking if V has enough equity to shove AK here with $90 in the pot? (She does not on the shove alone, but if you fold even 4% of the time, it is neutral EV for her).

I'm asking wwyd if you were in H's shoes and had H's exact read.

So you're nearly 100% sure V has AK and 100% sure that villains behind you fold....hmmmm....why are you posting this hand again then?? yeah, if he has AK you should call...

Not going to work this all out....but with my sophisticated math...pocket pairs are ahead of AK

Call.

If the worst case is it is AK exactly 90% of the time, and you are always behind the other 10%, then it is still +4% EV to call.

do tight players really do this with AK? If he does, he's not tight. So when you really think about it, that leaves AA, KK and less likely QQ or JJ which all have us smoked.

you raised to 30 and got 3 callers. He was probably thinking about how much to raise it without everyone calling and decided to jam it (350 into 95)

Also, if he sees you as a tight player, he would put you on a strong range as well.

fyp

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it looks like you're asking 2 different things.

in the OP, it looks like you're asking if you should call if essentially V flipped their hand over to you and you knew they had AK. then yes, if you have any PP and you know with 100% certainty the other Vs will fold, it is a +EV call.

Equity Win Tie
UTG 43.46% 43.21% 0.25% AKs, AKo
UTG+1 56.54% 56.29% 0.25% 22+



then in a reply it looks like you ask if Vs shove is +EV.
that would greatly depend on your opening range.

right now there is 475 in the pot and its 320 for you to call.
thats 1.48:1, or 40.25% equity.
for this to be a roughly break even call, you could continue with {22+,A6s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,AJo+,KTo+,QTo+}


Equity Win Tie
UTG 59.34% 56.58% 2.76% AKs, AKo
UTG+1 40.66% 37.90% 2.76% 22+, A6s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, AJo+, KTo+, QTo+


i'm not sure if that is what you were looking for, but hope it helps.