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2/5 nl TT in the Big Blind 2/5 nl TT in the Big Blind

03-01-2021 , 11:53 PM
Only been at the table for abt an hour a few good regulars and the rest unknown
Haven’t shown down any hands except my second hand of the session were utg opens to 15 3 callers to me and I raised to 80 and no one called I just showed KK face up ... that was the only hand of mine that was revealed up to this point.

So it folds to a pretty good reg who is main villain both abt 1k eff.. who opens to 20 in cut off. Sb calls and I decide to raise to 80 I guess that’s ok was questioning whether I should be flatting or not anyhow cutoff calls sb folds

Flop is 862 rainbow I decided to c bet 105 for a little bit more fold equity he calls and turn is offsuit 5 how should we proceed with this hand as played ?
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03-02-2021 , 12:01 AM
Your three bets are too small. First hand I’d be going 90 minimum. Hand in question I’d go 95 minimum and probably 100-105.

Flop is poor. You have a range edge, but he has all the sets and 86s while the best hands you have are mostly overpairs. You should be sizing smaller. Like 60-65.

Probably have to check now against opposition who will be able to value bet and bluff effectively on a board where they’re going to have a bunch of straights, sets, and two pairs that you don’t have. Plus you probably blew out some weaker hands with your flop sizing and may not even have the advantage against his range with your exact holding, which is a holding that is fairly high up in your range.


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03-02-2021 , 12:04 AM
I wouldn’t have shown your KK in the previous hand. Preflop looks good. Might go slightly larger (I’d go $100) due to the caller in between.

Flop bet is OK. I don’t know why you want fold equity — he’s never folding a hand better than ours so we want to get calls from (e.g.) overcards and back door flush draws. Sizing isn’t terrible but I would tend to go like $70-80 to encourage floats from these hands.

Turn I would likely check/call a bet depending on the opponent. We’re unlikely to get three streets from worse so checking can give them the green light to bluff if they floated hoping we’d cbet this flop that seemed to miss us and give up the turn. River plan depends on the turn action but I’d like to see perhaps one more bet go in.
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03-02-2021 , 02:38 AM
What do you think Villains continuing range is pre flop? I'd be surprised if a good reg is calling 3-bets with 86s as a previous poster mentioned. Is he 4-betting JJ+ AK?

Agree with others about sizing larger pre. At least 5x.

C-bet is good. Could go smaller.

Would keep betting the turn for value. 1/2-2/3 pot is good.
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03-02-2021 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
What do you think Villains continuing range is pre flop? I'd be surprised if a good reg is calling 3-bets with 86s as a previous poster mentioned. Is he 4-betting JJ+ AK?

Agree with others about sizing larger pre. At least 5x.

C-bet is good. Could go smaller.

Would keep betting the turn for value. 1/2-2/3 pot is good.

Villain should have all the sets and 86s. OP undersized his 3 bet, so he can continue with a lot of hands at an SPR of almost 6


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03-02-2021 , 05:36 AM
Your smallish preflop sizing is actually fine even being deep stacked and OOP against the CO because the SB has a capped range and shouldn't be continuing very often, plus you are in position vs the SB and the initial open was very large (4bb). 3-betting TT is fine but it should mostly be flatted 200bb deep.

Using a larger size on the flop makes sense because the board is somewhat dynamic and there are a lot of straight-completing cards or overcards that can come on the turn and your range contains strong hands that need protection. I'm guessing that TT isn't checking that much on the flop because your hand needs a lot of protection vs overcards.

Checking turn makes a lot of sense so that you can have some strong hands in your turn check range and not just overcards/air. 200bb deep TT is not going to want to stack off as often by going bet-bet-bet compared to 100bb because of the threat of running into sets plus the fact that he has more JJ/QQ in his range because the CO is less likely to 4-bet those hands when deepstacked. I think that checkraising would probably be overplaying your hand a bit.

The analysis of the guy above who said Villain can have suited gappers is suspect, villain should be folding those even against a small squeeze if he's actually a "good reg" because of the possibility that they get stacked by higher flushes at this depth. It's counterintuitive but even a lot of CO's suited connectors are folding vs a squeeze.
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03-02-2021 , 12:45 PM
I think turn action is close, but since we went ~60%PSB on the flop, I'd lean X. Opponent less likely to float with random overs, so we're ahead of 99/77 (12 combos), behind JJ/88/66/86s/97s (18 combos).

Even though our PFR is on the smaller side, I think we can underweight 97s/86s since there is the SB yet to close action.
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03-02-2021 , 01:01 PM
I would go $120 pre and $60 otf as played. When we get to the turn like this I like x-c a street and x-f every non T river. Ideally I would have preferred to bet $60 otf and then go for another small bet ott.
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03-02-2021 , 11:28 PM
You don't always have to automatically 3bet tens from the BB, esp when the sb's in. I know we don't have reads on him, but his range is probably stronger than the CO's.

My standard 3bet size would be 100 (20x2+(20 for being oop)). Flop size was ok, 105 doesn't give you any more FE than 70. We shouldn't really be thinking about FE when making a single cbet, we should be expecting to get called even before we made the bet, and have plans for later streets already in our mind esp since this isn't a one-cbet-will-take-it-down kiinda flop and you're OOP vs a pretty good player.

This isn't to ridicule you, OP, but if you don't know what to do in these spots, just flat pre. TT has a lot of value without 3betting and we often find ourselves OOP vs one of the best players at the table with a medium pocket pair in a bloated pot.

As played you could bet again, or you can check/call but I'm not gonna bet/bet/bet and if I check now I'm calling the turn, and if he leads out on a king or ace river I would most likely fold. Its a tough spot bc he's already seen you 3bet kings and now he's calling down maybe hoping you have another overpair, I don't think he's floating with two overs, I would think he has at least a pp.
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