2/5 NL: too passive w 1010?
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 207
Any thoughts on my passive line here? Should I have played the river differently?
Villain 1 ($500) limps UTG. One other player limps. I ($600) raise to $30 in the HJ with Tc Ts. Villain 2 ($1,000) calls on the button. V1 calls. $90.
The flop is Ac Ad 8h. V1 and I check. V2 bets $25. V1 folds. I call. $140.
The turn is the 3s. I check. V2 bets $25. I call. $190.
The river is the 9s. We both check.
Read on Villain 2: He's a bad super lag or an aggressive whale. He plays impulsively, often calling with almost any two (will certainly play any two suited cards for a raise). He tends to be very aggressive post-flop and bluffy. He tries to pick off bluffs often.
Thought process: I checked the flop to control the size of the pot and give V2 a chance to bluff. I do possibly miss out on some value from a small pair from V1 (he's a solid player who did limp-call from UTG), but he might fold a small pair anyway.
The turn is obviously a good card for me. I check to keep in bluffs (but he might be wary of my call on the flop and not bluff as often here) and to allow him to think that his 8 is good if he has one (by putting me on a small pair). I don't think his bet further defines his hand much. There's a chance he has an A, but more likely he has an 8, a small pair or maybe 99. I think he folds a lot of hands that I'm beating if I check-raise, which is why I just call.
The river is a 9s. I think I reverted in to check-call mode here and checked too quickly without thinking this decision through. If he has a small pair or an 8 (except maybe 98), he's checking behind now. Leading out is my best chance at making any money from those hands. I doubt he raises me very often without an ace. In retrospect this seems like a bet fold scenario. Thoughts?
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 200
Bet sizing tells all day. He bets $25 into $140? Just over 1/6 of the pot lol. I would consider raising the turn at minimum because anything over an 8 and V probably folds anyways. As played I would have led the river for around $75-90.
Join Date: Nov 2013
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V's bet sizing is terrible. I like the check call line, he's keeping it really small and TT has showdown value when it's less likely he had an A with 2 on the board. As he's described and his betting patterns I don't see him having TT+ (would be more aggressive pre) or an Ax combo. 98 is counterfeited and you're beating a ton of a loose whale's range.
Leading river...eh, I feel like he sticks with non-A hands that beat you anyway. Dumping TT's showdown value for thin added value is a little weird to me.
If he wakes up with JJ+ or a weak A, you lost a tiny amount.
Did he say "same bet" when he bet $25th on the turn? Love it when V's do that.
Join Date: Aug 2005
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check/cal, check/call, lead looks a lot like an ace or a post-oak bluff. If you are trying to extract a little more value and avoid a checkback, then maybe fire $30-40? You'll rarely get raised according to your read of villain that he is aggressive but also likes to pick off bluffs. However, you may be more likely to win another bet if you check to induce.
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Join Date: Nov 2013
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Man, I had forgotten the term post-oak bluff. Because it sucks. The bluff, that is, not the term.
If we bet after check/calling 2 streets are we in b/f mode here? See my previous post about TT's showdown value.
Join Date: Feb 2013
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Yes bet fold OTR. Sometimes V's will bet small if they crush the flop to keep others in, while some bet based on the strength of their hand. If V raises the river it's a guaranteed full house. Betting can also serve as a blocker bet so V doesn't ship a big bet.