$500 eff. My image TAG. V is a young white player, 21-25. Has shown balls by shoving on a maniac OTF with TPNK. Other than that have not seen him do anything special. Hasn't done anything stupid. Seems sensible.
Folds me in HJ, I open to $25 with QdQh. Only SB calls.
Flop: Kd9d8d Pot ~ $60 SB checks.
You, why and please provide a plan for future streets.
I would about 50/50 CIB or b/f 40. We have blockers to both likely draws, so no need to go bigger, and a free card isn't the end of the world.
Plan for CIB is to eval on next card, usually folding to a donk, and usually doing a delayed c-bet (with same b/f plan) if he checks a blank. If a scare card comes in, I just likely check again.
Plan for flop C-Bet:
If we bet and he raises, he has some semi-bluffs in his range, but we're generally in bad shape against his c/r range. Fold
If we bet and he just calls, I go into pot control mode and check back turn, and often river. Basically, I'm turning my hand into a bluff OTF, and then usually giving up and trying to realize SDV.
I'm checking back this flop and trying to keep the pot small. If villain bets a non-diamond turn I probably call, since our hand looks a lot like ace hi or a small PP, so he can vbet any pair as well as bluffs.
If I get called and he checks the turn again, I am firing $90 on the turn to try to get folds from his Kx range and get value from his AdX range (combo bet!). Checking back all rivers except for the Ad.
check back flop. you're heads up so giving a free card isnt as bad. checking allows you to get future value, allows you to realize your equity, you dont have to bet fold, also induces bluffs.
betting is fine too but generally you'd have to bet fold, as you dont even have the nut draw and your draw is too obvious. if i bet flop, im betting turn as well to charge draws and folding to a turn raise and checking back river.
I think I CIB. Although I think our hand is good often, I don't see us getting value from much at all in this spot. We have blockers to KQ and KJs/KTs make up a pretty small portion of his range. Plus, on the off chance that he has 88/99 I would hate to get blown off the decent equity our hand still has.
I think when we CIB our hand looks much weaker than it really is. If Villain leads pretty much any turn, I think I am just calling. This includes the ace of diamonds because I think we get another river bet if he has worse flush.
On non-diamond turns I think a call and evaluate river seems normal depending on bet sizing.
I agree with 50/50 CIB. My only addition is that with cbetting flop and turn, we can get 2 streets of value from draws (at the risk of getting raised) versus CIB we only get one.
The thing that sux here is that you really can't get improve. A Q would be horrible since it kills your action when you're ahead and crushes you with a huge hand when you're behind.
I call it down so long as the price is right. Not more then 1/2 pot on each street assuming the board doesn't get any worse.
All the guys saying I'd check it back or b/f... why are you balancing? There's not really a need to balance here. Just pick the best option. Or you're doing 50/50 because they're roughly "equally good"?
All the guys saying I'd check it back or b/f... why are you balancing? There's not really a need to balance here. Just pick the best option. Or you're doing 50/50 because they're roughly "equally good"?
It's not necessarily clear which one is the best option
If i'm playing against a very solid reg here and feel the need for balance, i'm going to be checking this flop with air to Kx. With checking air and midpairs being about equal frequency, Kx being rare but occurring. I will be betting this flop with my entire range at some frequency.
Against an unkown with no history and no chance of future history QQ here i'm going to be checking back almost 100%.
If i'm playing against a very solid reg here and feel the need for balance, i'm going to be checking this flop with air to Kx. With checking air and midpairs being about equal frequency, Kx being rare but occurring. I will be betting this flop with my entire range at some frequency.
OK so vs a very solid reg you will go to great lengths to balance. Do you mean that you will be doing all this checking for balance even if you don't have a diamond?