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2-5 NL QQ 500bb deep 2-5 NL QQ 500bb deep

09-22-2013 , 11:34 PM
Hero: $580

Villain: $450

Straddle is on for 10 to me UTG+1 I raise to 50$ wit QQ Get three callers, Villain in the Cutt off and last to act.

Flop(155$) 4Q7

I check and Middle pos. checks, Villain bets 50$

I smooth call.

Turn(255$) A

I check, Villain bets 50%, I check-raise to 150$

River(555$) 5 Thoughts????
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09-22-2013 , 11:37 PM
Bet flop, bet turn, bet river. Why did you c/c flop this deep? Why did you c/r so small on the turn?

Edit - wait, title says 500bb deep and post says effective stacks are $450 in a 2/5 game...whats the real deal?
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09-22-2013 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
Bet flop, bet turn, bet river. Why did you c/c flop this deep? Why did you c/r so small on the turn?

Edit - wait, title says 500bb deep and post says effective stacks are $450 in a 2/5 game...you mean 50bb deep?
Bet flop but its not the worst thing in the world to check.

Not betting turn is losing a ton of value, though as Ax is going to be big in villains range.
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09-22-2013 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Duke0424
Bet flop but its not the worst thing in the world to check.

Not betting turn is losing a ton of value, though as Ax is going to be big in villains range.
A lot of this action depends on stacks and OP states two different amounts. 500bb and less than 100bb flopping top set are totally different scenarios...
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09-22-2013 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
A lot of this action depends on stacks and OP states two different amounts. 500bb and less than 100bb flopping top set are totally different scenarios...
I thought he says we're $450 effective, 90bb
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09-22-2013 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Duke0424
I thought he says we're $450 effective, 90bb
Title says 500bb and with a $10 straddle it's really 45bb...
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09-23-2013 , 02:12 AM
this flop is drryyyy, the only draw is 56 and 2 pairs are nearly nonexistent, and with your top set there's only 1 queen left for you to get value from. So I think check/call on the flop is fine even if we are 500bb deep (but from what you've written it sounds like we are more like 90bb deep).

The turn is a very good card for us to get more value, and we should try to get it in on the turn. I would check/raise allin here if 90bb deep (or make a 2/3 pot check/raise if we are deeper) because the villain might call or shove on us with a hand like A7, 47, AQ, smaller set, or even just an ace putting us on a drawing hand like KcJc, 56, 7c8c, or any 2 clubs for that matter (yes, you raised UTG+1 but such hands are still in your perceived range, especially after you flatted a 1/3 pot sized bet on the flop).

The villain bet $50 (not 50% right) and you check/raised to $150. This is terrible sizing because you are giving a lot of draws odds to call even without implied odds, and looks even stronger than a shove.

That side, as played the river is obv a bad card because hands like 2c3c, 7c8c, KcJc got there which are all in the villain's range. Since he only has $200 left, you should just shove here and expect to get called by worse slightly more than 50% of the time. I like this better than check/call because at this point he's definitely not on a bluff, and more often hands you beat are probably checking back and hands that beat you are often going to shove and you'll have to call.

Last edited by darkestfog; 09-23-2013 at 02:41 AM.
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09-23-2013 , 02:21 AM
Firstly is it 500bbs or $500? Also, you said 3 callers why is flop $155?
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09-23-2013 , 02:43 AM
Ya, i think optimal OOP is bet flop, turn and shove river. OR if you like to trap, c/c, c/c, tank shove river. (although you give V a chance to pot control and get out of jail for cheap)
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09-23-2013 , 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by StillLearnin
Ya, i think optimal OOP is bet flop, turn and shove river. OR if you like to trap, c/c, c/c, tank shove river. (although you give V a chance to pot control and get out of jail for cheap)
What hands is he going to call with OTF though that won't get it in with you by the river with a trappy line. Overpairs are unlikely given preflop action, only 1 queen left, and the only draw is 56. Pocket pairs like TT, JJ might call a small bet OTF but that's about it.
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09-23-2013 , 03:29 AM
Depends on the villain and his read of me. I think checking here appears stronger then C-betting.
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09-23-2013 , 09:04 AM
I'm always c-betting there

Checking top set as preflop raiser is fishy unless you have a specific read on someone getting ready to punt
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09-23-2013 , 10:35 AM
Need some more clarification on the hand...true effective stack sizes, amount bet by V on turn, history, etc....but anyways...

I don't mind a check call on flop if ur sure villain will fire again on turn but as played with a $450 starting stack....this is a c/r all-in on turn though IMO.

If V is viewed calling station then I like bet flop, bet turn, and bet river.....it's a dry flop so I think a c/r flop with big bet on turn is basically playing your hand face up.
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09-23-2013 , 10:44 AM
Umm..... This hand is not 500bbs deep.

Betting the flop is better than checking IMO after raising preflop.

Don't really like the c/r on the turn either, but with the line you took, not sure you have a choice. Just really not a fan of this line.

If the stacks are what they are in the post and not the thread title, it should be failry easy to shove this river.
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09-23-2013 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by wj94
Title says 500bb and with a $10 straddle it's really 45bb...
This.
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09-23-2013 , 12:53 PM
Raise flop.
Shove turn.
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