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12-12-2013 , 03:26 PM
$2/$5 game at local casino around 1pm table has only been running for maybe 2 hours. Hero has been at the table for an hour and has built his stack from $500 to $1400 playing a very solid TAG game. Table has been fairly passive pre flop and Hero has taken advantage of that, Hero has been raising a wide range pre flop and just before this hand took place Hero won a nice sized pot raising 54hh UTG and winning a nice pot off the mark at the table. Reason I mentioned that hand is because it was one of the first hands I had shown down it awhile and so the other players are starting to realize i have opened it up a bit.

V in the hand is a mid 40s white male who Hero has played with before. He plays fairly standard but has been losing today. V stack is around $400 and he is on his second buy in.

Hero ($1400) raises to $20 UTG w ATcc folded to SB who calls and V calls in the BB ($400)

Flop ($60) 57Tcc checks to Hero who bets $35. SB folds and V raises to $100 and Hero calls.
-I thought about shoving flop because V only had about $300 behind but i figured he has more air than strong hands. If i shove i think he will fold most Ts and only call with 2pair or better.

Turn ($260) 57T5cc V checks and Hero checks behind.
-This was not a good card IMO. If V did have a weird 2pair he could have boated up (unlikely but possible) also this card could scare V.

River ($260) 57T54ccc V thinks for about 20 seconds and shoves for $300....

-i think its really hard to fold here. Hands that beat me that can be in vs range are 54 TT 77 75 44. I dont know if V would make this play with a straight or a flush.

is this an easy call?
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12-12-2013 , 03:36 PM
Could definitely stove this, I would if I wasnt procrastinating from studying for final exams haha.

By no means is this an easy call, especially since the AI is >pot.

I think this a lot of times this is a combo club draw overbetting, as well as the fullhouses you are talking about.

This doesnt really ever seem like a bluff, every hand got there,dont know what he could possibly be bluffing with. Probably would check/call something with any showdown value, you have kind of underrepped your hand at this point.

You really should stove this against the value range you think he might have
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12-12-2013 , 03:37 PM
And opening 54hh UTG is really -EV. Open that in LP
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12-12-2013 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by daveMASS
And opening 54hh UTG is really -EV. Open that in LP
thats not the hand in question.
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12-12-2013 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BVcardshark
thats not the hand in question.
I know this, but its there, and should re-evaluate that next time in that spot.
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12-12-2013 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by daveMASS
I know this, but its there, and should re-evaluate that next time in that spot.
im fine raising suited connectors at a passive/weak table. thats not a problem for me and i dont need to re-evaluate that.

you just stick to playing the nuts.

good luck
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12-12-2013 , 04:28 PM
Edit: see post below.

BTW, I know it's not the hand in question, but opening with 54h UTG is fine (and good) sometimes. Great hand to mix it up with.
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12-12-2013 , 04:29 PM
Wait, you have AT clubs? I'm not folding. If he got there w/ 54 playing back at you or had 57, 77, TT, 44, it's a bit of a cooler.
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12-12-2013 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
Wait, you have AT clubs? I'm not folding. If he got there w/ 54 playing back at you or had 57, 77, TT, 44, it's a bit of a cooler.
What does the check raise the flop, then check the turn when the board pairs mean tho? I don't know of he is check raising draws or maybe T7 and checking because he was counterfeited. The check on the turn is what confused me, I see a lot of players turn their effective nuts and check it quickly
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12-12-2013 , 05:52 PM
Easy call.

Given the open shove I can't see a boat shoving into a made flush, he would be trying to figure out how to get a flush to call, this is too strong of a move and feels like weakness. Only hands that make sense are worse flushes, OESD that hit, and 2P.
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12-12-2013 , 06:08 PM
I'd bet bigger otf at least $50 and expect to get called by worse tp, str8, flush draws, fd with overs etc.
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12-12-2013 , 06:26 PM
I'd shove the flop over his c/r. Even if his calling range is only 2pair and sets you still have 42% equity vs this range. A shove can get called by worse hands especially combo FDs and could potentially fold "better" like JJ or 57.

As played, I think you have to call the river if you think this V can take this line with many flushes or ever bluffs.
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