If we know the 6! is AA then why bother calling it off? If we 5! to $450 and he shoves, we need 30% equity.

We could size down to $375 and 5!/fold having put in ~34% of effective stacks.

His sizing pre/flop is awful, he's readless against you, and has just put $650 in the middle before the turn. So, either V is betting QQ for value or hero is bluff catching while blocking some of the 'bluffs' we need V to have. I'd begrudgingly but comfortably ck-f to the 450.

wow I think he got cute with JJ. He knows you have an OP and not JJ. He's trying to commit your stack.

Just say "I hate ace king" and muck

OTOH, his bet was 450 preceded by a bet of 200... I think there's a case for both calling and folding here. I think it's very close. Maybe he has AQ

well if he 6bets we're going to be 18% vs aces. If I wasn't happy calling it off I wouldn't make the 5bet.

I range him on:
50% chance of {QQ+, AK}
50% chance of {KK+}
In other words, I'd basically treat the combos as:
{4 x AK, 3 x QQ, 1 x KK, 6 x AA}

But then I think he'll probably fold his QQ/AK to a 5bet, so I'd rather flat the 4bet to keep that in his range, then x/shove all flops that don't contain either an A or Q in them (and x/fold all Axx and Qxx flops).

As played just sigh GII on the flop. He'll sometimes just have QQ here and he'll sometimes have AK too (I think he rarely if ever has JJ here when he 4bets pre).

lol this is so dumb, you guys act like AA vs KK is some mystical magical freak occurrence and we cant be afraid of this and must be open to the possibilities that he has other hands. **** all that noise. Who gives a **** if he jumps off a bridge and ships 200BB's with QQ. You arent going to win every single hand, find a better spot.

Isn't this the classic sign an opponent has AA? Make as many raises as you can preflop and then bomb the flop & all in on turn. Either way you are investing $900 hoping you are good. For me, he has already told me all the information I need to make the tight exploitive fold.

Unless you have some type of 3! dynamic with v specifically I think this is an easy fold pre. I would also like to hear more about the KK/JJ hand when you check shoved that A hi board.

Grunch.

I flat here and see a flop. Im not a fan of 5bet/gii 220bb deep, but think its fine aswell.

just saw rest of hand.

On the flop he has ~50% frequency QQ(3 combos), AA (6combos), and AKdd/AKhh, vs this range and money in the middle its a jam in my books. + theres random spazzes from villain.

Overbet is interesting. I can put faces from my player pool on this action where it's almost always Aces. I can put other faces on him where it's not.

If we stick with the tight read and take the flop bet at face value a disciplined fold is of course in order.

It "feels" like he wants to end the hand and I'm tempted to jam it but... I think this is one of those spots that is so close that no action is a big mistake really and defensible within a reasonable margin of error.

Based on op's response that he's 3! 3 times in 1.5 hrs and I do feel like v has some QQ in that pf 4! Range and isn't limited to KK+ as I mentioned earlier.

If he has QQ+ AK pre and takes this action where he's committing clearly I think it's reasonable to say he's doing it with all his AA, AKdd and the QQxd combos. Vs that range we are 37%.

Pot is $420 + 450 we have $900 back. If we get it in here we need 40% equity to break even on our shove.

TBH I could go either way here with different villains which tells me that in a vacuum this is close enough to not matter a whole bunch given limited relevant reads on this v. We need to give V some more QQ or AK or spazz here to profitably shove. Based on read in op we have seen nothing to suggest this. Until we do I think we can unhappily fold.

Overbet like this is almost always AA in my experience. V should be able to know that your 4bet flatting range against UTG should be insanely strong with QQ+. He is never lighting money with QQ because you have KK/AA in your range. I guess he can have AKdd/AA here as almost always.

I just learned in a hard way.

It happens to me recently where V limp UTG+1,

I raise to 7BB from HJ with KK, CO call, BB call, and V mega raise to 60BB.

I called.

On the flop, there is 140BB in the middle, V shoves 210BB on a 953r flop.

Since V is unknown to me, I was not sure if he is a spazzing around with QQ or something stupid. I called and V tabled AA.

I figure what V did wrong is he can choose normal sizing and easily get it in on all non-A turn and I would pay him off 100% time. He choose a stupid sizing and it still works against my KK. I had a chance to make a correct fold but I was wrong.

vs QQ(3combos), AA (6combos), we have ~35% equity. If you add AKdd, AQdd we have ~%37.

If he has all combos of QQ this becomes a clear shove, tough to know though. I guess folding isnt as bad as I thought after doing some work.

Really close and wouldnt mind either jamming/folding

people really wanting to fold KK preflop?! really?

Call pre, get it in over that flop bet.

The fact he seems semi competent makes me want to call even more.

I actually dont hate 5bet folding pre either as people just dont 6bet pre without AA.

But once you call pre flop and he puts half your stack in on flop just get it in

It's probably a fold, but idk if I make it in real time

Three limps, fishy rec makes it $20 in MP, one caller, I 3! KK to $95 from the SB, rec calls. We are about $450 effective.

Flop ($225): A 9 7.

Hero checks
V bets $200
Hero jams for $355 and villain calls it off with black JJ

if anything, this hand leans towards a fold since he knows your range is narrow from what he's seen so far.

5-bet/f nut worst option. Call and decide on flop texture. Fold cant be bad, but I wouldnt fold

Results

I'm not sure x/jamming second pair on an A high flop in a 3 bet pot is the best line, but lol live poker

Why would you x/f? You never had odds to setmine in the first place, so this is actually a good flop for you and you need to play your hand at face value. x/r jam is your only option.

He might not have a 100% c-bet range after 4-betting. I dont agree with fold, but we also dont know the flop.

I would flat his 4 bet, and probably check-raise all in on most flops. If I get KK vs AA most of the time I do lose all my chips tho so theres that. but more likely to get QQ to stack off on a check raise on 9 high flop say than preflop

johnny, How much did he bet & would you have called if the flop was T97 ?

I'm okay with either flatting or folding PF, but not thrilled about flatting because it doesn't even feel like we have an edge. I guess flatting might be okay because of the possibility that villain could check the flop with weaker hands (seems pretty low though) or the possibility we flop a set.

Flop is another one I could go either way on. I'm either jamming or folding. If we fold here though it feels like what we did was really close to just set mining.