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Originally Posted by absherrj
I mentioned I had hand history with this guy where he had bluffed a similar situation. His flop lead didnt indicate much, i had planned on betting about the same so I felt ok calling that. On the turn I felt that I may be beat as I thought his range included 9T to AT, pairs 99 and smaller, and the occasional bluff. I wasn ready to lay down 88 just yet though. Had I whiffed the river and he leads 225, he has me coninced that my 8's are beat.
I didnt put him on 22 or TT at all. His demeanor was calm and comfortable. On the river I didnt think he would call a shove so I raised to 575 total, which he snap called and showed K2.
Then he is a fish, as there is no good player I know that calls K2 from the blinds against UTG. Your description implied he was a good player who bluffed somewhat too much. No amount of postflop skill is going to overcome playing trash hands out of the blinds against strong ranges. Also, him snapping you off on the river implies not that he has postflop skill but that he defaults to level 1 (his own hand strength) thinking rather than being a good hand reader thinking about your range/his own perceived range, and so i would adjust against him accordingly in the future.
Incidentally, think about the turn. You put in $225 with 4% equity. Your own description of his range makes this a bad play per your range above. You state his range then state 'you aren't quite ready to fold yet' What does that mean? So with $800 behind on the river, if he always snaps you when you hit one of your two outs, your ev of your turn call is still hugely negative... if this hand played out 1000 times against his whole range on the turn, even with bad play on the river by him it's still -ev for you to call.
Nice hand.