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12-10-2011 , 07:35 PM
This game had several regulars and a couple unknowns. i had built my stack from 450ish to almost 1000 and the following han insued. At the time we were playing 6 handed and I had raised and taken the last two hands prefop with no contest. V1 is otb and playing rather slow pre and hit or fold post. v2 is The bb I have some history woth him where I have caught him bluffing with top pair good kicker on big river bets trying to represent tripa on a paired board. He is a tricky player with a wide range pre because of above average post flop skills. V1 has roughly 400 and v2 has 1500ish and is big stack on table although dwindling having doubled up a couple short stacls at the table.
2-5 blinds, hero utg has 88 raises to 20, button calls, bb calls. I didnt think much of either of their calls. Hoping for a small flop Where my pair has value.
Flop:Tc2h2d bb leads 35, hero calls, button folds. I figured the bb could lead with a wide range, not just a 2 or T. Were 200bb deep so Ill play for any reasonable bet.
Turn:4s; bb bets 80, hero calls. I am starting to believe that bb has a hand, but with hand history I realize that he has taken a strong line on a paired board before and didnt have it so I called to see if I could get to showdown cheap.
River:8; bb bets 225, hero raises ?? I have roughly 800 in front going to the river. Is this a ship spot or a raise 1.5 times his bet to induce call by AT, KT. What do the 2+2ers think???
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12-10-2011 , 07:47 PM
I think you have to shove here; Your line will look polarized to a frustrated AK or an abolsute monster. Dont think villain can fold a deuce, so yes your raise is called by worse. Your line is 1010, 88, or nothing. When we raise we can't raise/fold given the size will commit us.

Raise AI imo since the only hand we are scared of is 1010, just calling is leaving so so so much value on the table
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12-10-2011 , 08:58 PM
I think you played this pretty terribly, unless you planned for some bluff on the end. Shove imo. Also you should buy in full always, especially at the wood. I play there alot, pm me or whatever if u want, my name is Eric.
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12-10-2011 , 09:37 PM
Flop call is fine. Turn is interesting. Did you have a plan for a non-8 river? What was it? Why? What do you think his turn betting range is?

As played, I would just call. His calling range here if you raise and if he is decent is A2s, TT and 22. If i am right you are not ahead of 50% of his calling g range. For a raise to make sense, he has to suck and a) be playing a lot of 2x hands out of the BB vs. an utg open and b) be willing to call a raise with them when they can only beat a bluff. Think about it this way - does he think you are raising river with AA or just calling? Does he think you have low 2x hands in your utg open range?
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12-10-2011 , 10:03 PM
I mentioned I had hand history with this guy where he had bluffed a similar situation. His flop lead didnt indicate much, i had planned on betting about the same so I felt ok calling that. On the turn I felt that I may be beat as I thought his range included 9T to AT, pairs 99 and smaller, and the occasional bluff. I wasn ready to lay down 88 just yet though. Had I whiffed the river and he leads 225, he has me coninced that my 8's are beat.
I didnt put him on 22 or TT at all. His demeanor was calm and comfortable. On the river I didnt think he would call a shove so I raised to 575 total, which he snap called and showed K2.
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12-10-2011 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by absherrj
I mentioned I had hand history with this guy where he had bluffed a similar situation. His flop lead didnt indicate much, i had planned on betting about the same so I felt ok calling that. On the turn I felt that I may be beat as I thought his range included 9T to AT, pairs 99 and smaller, and the occasional bluff. I wasn ready to lay down 88 just yet though. Had I whiffed the river and he leads 225, he has me coninced that my 8's are beat.
I didnt put him on 22 or TT at all. His demeanor was calm and comfortable. On the river I didnt think he would call a shove so I raised to 575 total, which he snap called and showed K2.
Then he is a fish, as there is no good player I know that calls K2 from the blinds against UTG. Your description implied he was a good player who bluffed somewhat too much. No amount of postflop skill is going to overcome playing trash hands out of the blinds against strong ranges. Also, him snapping you off on the river implies not that he has postflop skill but that he defaults to level 1 (his own hand strength) thinking rather than being a good hand reader thinking about your range/his own perceived range, and so i would adjust against him accordingly in the future.

Incidentally, think about the turn. You put in $225 with 4% equity. Your own description of his range makes this a bad play per your range above. You state his range then state 'you aren't quite ready to fold yet' What does that mean? So with $800 behind on the river, if he always snaps you when you hit one of your two outs, your ev of your turn call is still hugely negative... if this hand played out 1000 times against his whole range on the turn, even with bad play on the river by him it's still -ev for you to call.

Nice hand.
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12-11-2011 , 11:54 AM
Yes setsy knowing that he has a 2 in his hand would influence my turn decision but I didnt know his holdings. The history between villian and I had gone past the first level of poker (what im holding to what is he holding) for this reason I thought he was stealing and I think he knew that I knew that, hence his river call to my raise. I mentioned his pre range is very wide. it would be a lot easier for you to question my play if you knew the history between us.
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12-11-2011 , 01:37 PM
You don't just have 4% equity against a 2x on the turn. You also have the same equity against Tx and 99. If you want to analyze the hand, put together a turn value range, run it through pokerstove. Estimate your equity. Solve for what % of time he needs to be bluffing for your turn call to be correct if he never folds a better hand on the river.
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