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07-24-2011 , 12:11 PM
I have $590 in the bb with 5h6h. It is a loose game as you will see. Most everyone at the table has around $500 except UTG has about $1000. UTG makes it $25 to go. There are 5 callers.
Decision #1: call raise or fold.

I call.
Flop is 5s 6c Ts

Decision #2 lead out or check?

I check expecting the UTG to continue, then I will have a lot of information by the time it comes to me.

He leads out for $75.
There are 4 callers to me. The button thought a long time. I suspect he was considering a raise.

Decision #3: Raise or call
I raise all in. My thoughts are.... I am ahead - only the utg is likely to have TT and that is very unlikely. There are very few cards that could come off that would not scare me. By going all in, the first call is not priced into calling a flush. I expect the utg to raise or fold as I doubt HE is on a flush draw.

UTG goes all in. The guy on his left calls off about $400. The next guy folds. The next guy thinks and calls off about $500. The last guy mucks QQ face up.

UTG had AKs
2nd caller had AcTc
3rd caller had 4s7s

Most of my friends are saying I should wait till the turn to push. I disagree.
Thoughts?
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07-24-2011 , 12:17 PM
Given results, I have no idea how your friends could ever say you should have waited to bomb the turn.

NH
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07-24-2011 , 12:54 PM
lol nh.

don't raise pre, don't lead flop. find friends who are good at poker to discuss poker with.
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07-24-2011 , 03:08 PM
I like everything except flop. I would lead flop a lot here mw. The reason is that UTG is not very likely to cbet here with anything short of an over pair or nfd, and given the wet texture of the board I don't want to give a free card to the field. I lead for $75.

Incidentally, this will make your hand look weaker to most villains. People tend to interpret leads as weak, and the mantra here is that they are what fish do. This is misguided, as in certain situations they are very appropriate and vilains tend to not give you credit for a hand. My range for leading in this situation would be JJ+, 2pr+. Most villains would interpret my lead as a FD or marginal Tx.
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07-24-2011 , 03:52 PM
Nh OP. Maybe a flop lead is a better play, unless you see utg going for some chips to bet or something. Or some read that he auto cbets.

What a nice table.
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07-24-2011 , 04:08 PM
NH.... For people advocating a different line, there is no way Ac10c is getting away from this, and leading would have folded out a few inconsequential callers.
You have 5 stacks in the middle with a hand that has decent equity considering the pot odds given
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07-24-2011 , 04:47 PM
flop lead sucks. Someone is always going to bet this flop and you can wait till a lot more money to get in the pot before you c/r all in. Pre is good.

Your friends are being results oreinted in my opinion. NH
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07-27-2011 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by betthinker
I have $590 in the bb with 5h6h. It is a loose game as you will see. Most everyone at the table has around $500 except UTG has about $1000. UTG makes it $25 to go. There are 5 callers.
Decision #1: call raise or fold.

I call.
Flop is 5s 6c Ts

Decision #2 lead out or check?

I check expecting the UTG to continue, then I will have a lot of information by the time it comes to me.

He leads out for $75.
There are 4 callers to me. The button thought a long time. I suspect he was considering a raise.

Decision #3: Raise or call
I raise all in. My thoughts are.... I am ahead - only the utg is likely to have TT and that is very unlikely. There are very few cards that could come off that would not scare me. By going all in, the first call is not priced into calling a flush. I expect the utg to raise or fold as I doubt HE is on a flush draw.

UTG goes all in. The guy on his left calls off about $400. The next guy folds. The next guy thinks and calls off about $500. The last guy mucks QQ face up.

UTG had AKs
2nd caller had AcTc
3rd caller had 4s7s

Most of my friends are saying I should wait till the turn to push. I disagree.
Thoughts?
Once its raised preflop, the stacks are too shallow to get to the turn without a bomb. Besides, you pretty much hate EVERY card in the deck that isn't a 5 or 6 peeling.

If you were 1500 deep, it was 2 way, and preflop had 80 bucks in the pot, then its a different discussion. I love bombing the turn; i do it like its my job (it used to be, come to think of it). You're 500 and change deep, and give or take, thats the effective stack size. Preflop has 180 in the pot. SPR is below 3 and you have bottom 2. F- it, time to check ship check/ship or open ship here (yes, you heard that, just lead out for stack--but give your C-bet expectation, I'd probably check/ship in your spot).

You're never folding unless you have a super-gross read. The SPR is low as hell. And 2 pair is a supremely vulnerable hand, and this board is pretty damn drawy (as seen by the action). Don't think,get out the conveyor belt, get your chips on the table, and go to the next hand.
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07-27-2011 , 09:03 PM
OP,

I would have done exactly the same in your spot, with the same reasoning. Your friends are clearly in the wrong. Listen to their advice on movies, but not poker.
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07-27-2011 , 11:09 PM
The verdict is in: NH WP.
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