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Originally Posted by =VH= Fan
Flatting seemed so counter-intuitive to me though. Frankly playing 55 in the second situation is easier to play because I either hit a set or don't. I hate not knowing where I'm at OOP, and if I call then I feel like I have to play both hands like small pairs since I haven't gained any information by calling.
The reason the loose-passive fish in #1 concerned me was because I hadn't seen him show aggression before this.
VH - just because you didnt steer the action preflop shouldnt inhibit you from knowing where you're at.
JJ w/ an overcard on the board doesnt necessarily mean they hit that overcard - if you dont want to play fit or fold, you could lead flop yourself (b/f).
With QQ, i hafta parrot what Riza said that even loose passives can 3bet in position w/ a range wider than QQ. Since he's loose passive preflop, your post flop play should be simple: Donk. He'll let you know when he has a hand. You dont even have to donk bet for a huge amount in a 3bet pot either.
Im suggesting you take the betting lead post flop simply because if you're villains smash the flop it sounds like both will go nuts and let you know making it easier to play.
Depending on flop i might be c/c'ing though. You probably wont get tons of money out of villain if he doesnt have something like TP+ but you can probably drain some of his dollars if he flops some kind of draw. I also doubt your villain is capable of 3 barrel bluffing you anyway so if you do c/c, its probably only 1 street when he's missed and you might not be able to eke out much more value after that.
Hand 2 is a similar situation in that just because a board has an overcard doesnt mean its bad for you. Hand 2's villain i would imagine has a much wider 3 bet in position range. I think donk leading most flops might be more beneficial since he'll be less likely to bluff in a 3bet pot this deep but if you think he's capable, you can take a more passive line til you narrowed his range. there's really only a few boards that would really make it hard to narrow villain's range if he bets when checked to such as AKxr or KQxr kind of boards but then i'd be more likely to say to you b/f'ing about 50-55% of pot shouldnt be awful.
Just because you're hand is under repped pre shouldnt deter you from entering a pot. However if you're uncomfortable w/o taking a preflop initiative, then fold both.