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08-29-2011 , 05:08 PM
History with villain: he has been playing a lot of pots and seems to be a regular in these games, middle aged italian gentleman who was probably playing a lot of pots because of huge fish in the game.

9 handed: ~$600 effective

PF:Villain straddles to 10 two limps to me on the Btn and I make it 65 with QQ he is the only caller.

Flop: 4-4-6 villain checks I bet 110 into about 160 and he calls.

Turn 9 with no flush draw. He checks and I go all in, he tanks forever and folds.

After the handed he is speaking in a mixture of italian and spanish with a friend about the hand. I gather that he had a 6 and they put me on either a 9 or a 4, no mention of an overpair, although my spanish isn't very good and my italian is not-existent.

2 Hands later, effective stacks about the same ($600, he reloaded a bit).

I'm in MP, Villain in the SB. 1 limper and I make it 30 with AdQd, villain is the only caller.

Flop: Q-8-5 rainbow. He checks and I decided to get fancy and check back.

Turn is a 5 putting out two spades. He checks and I bet 55 into about 70. He thinks for about 1 minute and raises to 160.

Whats the best option here? Easy shove? I'm really rusty in poker (and posting about poker) so I apologize if this is an easy question.

I have some thoughts, but wanted feedback first. Thanks
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08-29-2011 , 05:23 PM
I like your flop check back. I think it allows you to pot control in position on a dry board where you are WA/WB. I like the turn bet. When he raises, his line looks fos. He could have a 5x or 88, but that's already a narrow range and you have to discount it some since some of the time he leads turn with 5x given the FD.

I like calling and playing poker on the river. His range is polarized on the turn to monsters and bluffs. The best hand that he can have on the turn that is behind you but that can out draw you is pair and flush draw. I think that after your call it's likely villain plays straightforwardly on the river - if he shoves you can fold, if he checks you check behind. I don't see this guy shoving river for 400+ on a random bluff, but since you underrepped your hand on the flop he can easily be trying to take a one time shot to take you off of a weak range on the turn.
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08-29-2011 , 05:33 PM
hand 2: I agree with pot controlling. However, since you are IP, I would have cbet flop and checked back turn.

** reading your history on this villain and the convo he had with his buddy makes me think he has no concept of properly assigning ranges and has a bit of MUBS. Therefore, his raise in the current hand has me thinking there are 5's in his range far more than bluffs

Tough spot, but I might fold here given that prior history
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08-29-2011 , 05:43 PM
He's Italian? Snap call. If the river is a queen or an ace and he checks, bet something annoyingly small like $45 so he pulls a dario minieri and check raise bluffs again.

I don't think he would tank for 1 minute with a full house or a 5. I also don't think he would raise to $160 with a full house or a 5, he would probably make it slightly less.

I'd rather bet flop, check back some turns, and bet safe rivers though.
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08-29-2011 , 06:11 PM
hand 1 is well-played imo. if he had a 6 he wasn't calling all-in and any moderate reg would fold the 6 to most other action. if you wanted to discuss the greatest value line, I guess we can check turn and bet river as the turn is mainly WAWB.

Hand 2 I flat his raise (he basically reps trips+) and see what happens on the river. shoving is a bad, bad option.
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08-29-2011 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by NuklearWinter
He's Italian? Snap call. If the river is a queen or an ace and he checks, bet something annoyingly small like $45 so he pulls a dario minieri and check raise bluffs again.
doesn't this lose us a ton of money most of the time?
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08-30-2011 , 01:01 PM
My thoughts at the time were two fold: First, Baluga Theory and this guy has a monster and Second, After playing a hand super straightforward and getting him to fold the turn when I barelled I played this one the exact opposite and I wanted it to look like a steal and get some value.

I thought my line looked super fishy and he could show up super light here every now and then and make a bluff after I pushed him off a hand just a minute prior.

The one problem in my mind at the time is if I call the turn I thought he would bet all of his air on the river, all of his weaker queens, and his monsters, but would probably check back all of his one pair hands weaker than a Q.

So, if that logic is correct, if I call the turn do I have to call a river lead? Air makes up a lot more combos than value, right? And if he checks, it seems like a good value spot, is the small bet suggested above the best size?

Edit: Not sure if this warrants mentioning but this was at a casino in the dominican republic and I was clearly a tourist and had played pretty tight straightforward up to this point.
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08-30-2011 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by OneFive
My thoughts at the time were two fold: First, Baluga Theory and this guy has a monster and Second, After playing a hand super straightforward and getting him to fold the turn when I barelled I played this one the exact opposite and I wanted it to look like a steal and get some value.

I thought my line looked super fishy and he could show up super light here every now and then and make a bluff after I pushed him off a hand just a minute prior.

The one problem in my mind at the time is if I call the turn I thought he would bet all of his air on the river, all of his weaker queens, and his monsters, but would probably check back all of his one pair hands weaker than a Q.

So, if that logic is correct, if I call the turn do I have to call a river lead? Air makes up a lot more combos than value, right? And if he checks, it seems like a good value spot, is the small bet suggested above the best size?

Edit: Not sure if this warrants mentioning but this was at a casino in the dominican republic and I was clearly a tourist and had played pretty tight straightforward up to this point.
Hard Rock??
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08-30-2011 , 04:45 PM
Yeah
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08-30-2011 , 05:22 PM
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Yeah
not to derail (I actually said everything I wanted to say) but how did you like it. Thinking about going int he fall with my GF
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08-30-2011 , 06:19 PM
The game itself was great, minus the 5% rake up to $22. I was only there for one session, but there was a good amount of money to be had, older dudes opening to 100 and overplaying weak top pairs and the like. If you want to know about punta cana in general or more about the poker PM me and we can talk.
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08-30-2011 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by OneFive
The game itself was great, minus the 5% rake up to $22. I was only there for one session, but there was a good amount of money to be had, older dudes opening to 100 and overplaying weak top pairs and the like. If you want to know about punta cana in general or more about the poker PM me and we can talk.
sure thing. Thanks man. I will pm you in a month or so if it happens
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08-30-2011 , 06:22 PM
*Grunch
Call raise OTT. Call any river except Q
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