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04-26-2014 , 09:30 PM
I was thinking about defending blinds vs aggro habitual LP blind-stealers. Should we defend BB more often than SB because we've committed $5 in BB rather than $2 in SB?
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04-26-2014 , 09:45 PM
Yes that's one reason we should defend more but we are also closing the action in the bb so we aren't susceptible to squeezes.

In the SB against late position raises I would 3 bet alot of my range and rarely call.

Whereas the BB I would be 3 betting alot and also calling alot. The ratios change depending on alot of factors but includes openers range, open size, tendencies post flop etc
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04-27-2014 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Kyle21
Yes that's one reason we should defend more but we are also closing the action in the bb so we aren't susceptible to squeezes.

In the SB against late position raises I would 3 bet alot of my range and rarely call.

Whereas the BB I would be 3 betting alot and also calling alot. The ratios change depending on alot of factors but includes openers range, open size, tendencies post flop etc
Why do you almost always defend from SB by 3-betting but for BB split defense between 3-betting and calling?
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04-27-2014 , 04:50 AM
I dont like playing oop to anyone with a pulse. You can have my bb *and* my sb. Now, if you start messing with my button, thats a whole 'nother story...
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04-27-2014 , 06:12 AM
In cash games, especially deeper games, the loss of your blinds is minimal compared to the amount of money you stand to lose by playing too many hands OOP against good (and frankly, even bad) players. SB and BB are the worst positions on the table, so your ranges should the the most snug in these 2 spots.

But yeah, you should be playing more hands from BB than SB for the aforementioned reasons. Slightly better position, and better odds to call (a $20 raise is only $15 more, as opposed to $18 more from SB), but the range should not be all that much wider imo
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04-27-2014 , 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Olaff
Should we defend BB more often than SB because we've committed $5 in BB rather than $2 in SB?
That, plus you have the advantage of the Big Blind Special. You know why you've never heard of the Small Blind Special? Cuz it doesn't exist!

I kid, of course. Seriously, like the other guy said, don't worry about those LP raises. That guy may or may not have a better hand than you, but he definitely has position on you, and that's a huge undeniable advantage. Have a good reason to play out of the blinds.
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04-27-2014 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by RESTRAIN THIS
In cash games, especially deeper games, the loss of your blinds is minimal compared to the amount of money you stand to lose by playing too many hands OOP against good (and frankly, even bad) players. SB and BB are the worst positions on the table, so your ranges should the the most snug in these 2 spots.

But yeah, you should be playing more hands from BB than SB for the aforementioned reasons. Slightly better position, and better odds to call (a $20 raise is only $15 more, as opposed to $18 more from SB), but the range should not be all that much wider imo
+1 I don't think most people get the idea that everyone is losing from the small and big blind. The trick is to lose the least. Losing 7 every orbit is going to be less than you would lose if you were to start defending with crap hands imo
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04-27-2014 , 01:36 PM
Defend your blinds just often enough to keep it from being profitable for them to open ATC on the button. I would much rather defend my blind with a 3-bet than calling, regardless if its SB or BB. If you call you are playing OOP heads up vs. a very wide range, usually with a mediocre holding yourself. Stealing and defending blinds was a key element back when I played 6-max online, and watching peoples stealing and defending percentages was a large part of the game. Fortunately this is full ring LLSNL. Blind steals are rare because pots are often already multiway by the time they get to the button so button vs. blinds play isn't as big a part of the game.

If you really want to know more about this topic I think there's some threads in the stickies of the micro and small stakes 6-max forums.
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04-27-2014 , 02:44 PM
Yes
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04-27-2014 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Olaff
I was thinking about defending blinds vs aggro habitual LP blind-stealers. Should we defend BB more often than SB because we've committed $5 in BB rather than $2 in SB?
I think that if you are looking for excuses to call raises out of position by making up a term called "defending", you have a leak.

Play your normal game and don't worry about the fact that they are "stealing". More often than not, they are not stealing. They are just playing their normal game and mostly raising for value. They are probably not going to catch on to the fact that you fold so much that they should be raising wider. And more importantly, if you pick up a real hand and 3bet them, if they are raising really wide, they might level themselves into thinking that your range is wider than it really is. When that happens, they will spew so much money back to you that it will more than make up for the times you fold incorrectly.
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04-27-2014 , 04:48 PM
if there is 1.5 bb in the pot an a lp raise makes it 3bb, and u raise to 10bb, you are risking 9bb from BB or 9.5bb from SB to win 4.5bb

i consider them basically the same and play them both with the same range
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04-27-2014 , 04:55 PM
if someones perceived raise range is x% in lp, 3! light from blinds with x-10% is standardfor me
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04-27-2014 , 06:03 PM
Read the stickies. While it is an oldie and I'm much better now, it holds up fairly well.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...blinds-520963/
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04-27-2014 , 06:10 PM
the money in the pot doesn't belong to you anymore. it's not your blind, it belongs to the pot. No need to defend something that isn't yours.

Want to defend something? Defend your button.
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