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05-19-2010 , 11:49 PM

[x] swanny

formerly Nepa

Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 2,306

Playing in my regular weekly 2/5 game and there is a semi-regular that is playing super crazy with a 3000 plus stack. He is staddling for anywhere from 50-100 every chance he gets.

we are 9 handed Crazy Staddles for 100 gets one limpper(limpper could have anything as he is a fairly loose passive player) I'm on the button with 10 10 and close to 1000 behind both players have me cover. You?

raise/call or fold?

Staddler has about a 50/50 shot of re-raising maybe even 60/40 most likely with out even looking.

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05-20-2010 , 12:00 AM

Makonnen

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,372

Raise. If limper folds and Crazy r/r, shove.

If limper shoves or tags along, dynamics change entirely.

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05-20-2010 , 12:06 AM

[x] swanny

formerly Nepa

Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 2,306

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Originally Posted by Makonnen

Raise. If limper folds and Crazy r/r, shove.

If limper shoves or tags along, dynamics change entirely.

So I should of limped from the button and see what happens.

I know I botched this hand as I folded pre-flop. My reasoning. Why did the other guy just limp for 100, I was putting him on a really big hand and I thought the he was trapping the maniac, in Hindsight this player wasn't smart enough to trap. I'm still mad at myself for playing to weak in this hand.

Too make matters worse...the Flop came down 10 high with the Staddler firing 300 into the pot to TID.

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05-20-2010 , 01:48 AM

weirdchess1

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,474

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Originally Posted by Nepa

Don't be results oriented. This is a bad fold preflop, but don't consider it bad because you would've flopped top set. Consider it bad just because it's bad (heh, not trying to be mean).

This is effectively a game where you're 10 big blinds deep. If you're playing a poker game and you're shortstacked to 10bb (say a superturbo) and you find TT, what should you do? I hope it's clear that the answer is to raise and get it in, even if you have a limp in front of you.

When you see straddles in the future, just consider them to be a way of changing the size of the big blind to the straddle size, and play normally from there.

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05-20-2010 , 03:24 AM

Teddy Swoes

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 166

What? You folded Pre-flop

Raise this and be prepared to get it all in almost every time UNLESS Crazy raises then limper moves all in.

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05-20-2010 , 02:31 PM

BitterChris

adept

Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 831

If a staddle is a blind bet like a straddle then I just shove here, unless the "limper" is known to trap with big hands. I have not heard of 20bb straddles before.

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05-20-2010 , 04:06 PM

[x] swanny

formerly Nepa

Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 2,306

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Originally Posted by Teddy Swoes

What? You folded Pre-flop

Raise this and be prepared to get it all in almost every time UNLESS Crazy raises then limper moves all in.

I just didn't want to stack off 200 BB AIPF. It was just 10 10 and even if I run it into lets say KQ we are talking about a really big race for a cash game.

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05-20-2010 , 11:48 PM

waldo027

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Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,084

Shove because you would have flopped top set (j/k).

Shove because you're effectively 10BB deep, as stated before.

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05-21-2010 , 12:03 AM

[x] swanny

formerly Nepa

Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 2,306

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Originally Posted by waldo027

Shove because you would have flopped top set (j/k).

Shove because you're effectively 10BB deep, as stated before.

I had 250 BB's. Someone else was saying I had 10 bb. Not sure where that came from. but for the record if I had let say 50-100 BB's I shove here no problem.

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05-21-2010 , 03:12 AM

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weirdchess1

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,474

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Originally Posted by Nepa

I had 250 BB's. Someone else was saying I had 10 bb. Not sure where that came from. but for the record if I had let say 50-100 BB's I shove here no problem.

Well, you really ARE 10 bb deep.

Let's assume the game is 5/100 NL, meaning that every hand the small blind posts $5, the big blind posts $100, and the minimum bet to come in is $100. Then you would be playing 10 bb deep, and you would clearly be happy getting it all in with TT.

That's really what this situation is: the straddle has become the big blind. Does that make more sense?

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05-21-2010 , 05:07 AM

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Teddy Swoes

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 166

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Originally Posted by Nepa

I just didn't want to stack off 200 BB AIPF. It was just 10 10 and even if I run it into lets say KQ we are talking about a really big race for a cash game.

As explained by others, your effective stack is no longer 200 BBs but only 10 due to the large large straddle.

If you shove you have heaps of FE and you're ahead of his massive range.

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05-21-2010 , 06:54 AM

#12

csk30

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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 652

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Originally Posted by Nepa

It was just 10 10 and even if I run it into lets say KQ we are talking about a really big race for a cash game.

Lol @ this.
In that case play nothing but AA pre.

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05-21-2010 , 07:00 AM

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Teddy Swoes

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 166

Indeed. By that explanation it sounds like you're playing a little scared.

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05-21-2010 , 10:29 AM

#14

Frond

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,892

No offense, but you should leave the game and find another one

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05-21-2010 , 10:36 AM

#15

Loctus

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,161

10 BB's with TT against a maniac.. hmm...

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05-21-2010 , 11:16 AM

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Hendricks433

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,938

wtf are you doing in this game. $1000 obviously means way too much to you. This is the 5th or 6th best situation you could possibly hope for. I make it $350 and get it in or just shove depending on the players.

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05-21-2010 , 11:25 AM

#17

75s00ted

adept

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 728

Shove pre imo, please dont fold.

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