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2/5 NL: ambitious turn line? 2/5 NL: ambitious turn line?

07-03-2017 , 07:30 AM
Nice 4 handed 2/5 NL game against three guys who really seem to have zero idea of how to play short.

SB is a major fish. My second hand at the table, he got 100 bigs in preflop with JTo. Playing close to every hand, raising close to half of them, but also almost never three betting. Postflop, he's done a lot of betting with any piece of the board after the previous street checked around, but not a lot of raising again. Definitely here for the gamble.

BB is a more nondescript bad player.

Stacks:
SB: ~ 500
BB: ~ 350
Me: covers

Action:

I have K Q BTN.

I raise to 15, both villains calls

Flop (45) T 6 3

Checks to me, and I elect to check

Turn (45) Q

SB bets 40, BB calls 40, i raise to 110, SB calls

River (305): 2

SB check, I bet $150
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07-03-2017 , 07:39 AM
Bet flop

Turn bigger

Ship river
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07-03-2017 , 07:40 AM
Id rather not bloat the pot on the turn when literally more than half the deck contains bad rivers for us.
Edit: *with a relatively margin holding

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07-03-2017 , 08:00 AM
More pre; c-bet flop; big turn bet; shove river.

Stacks are short, players are bad/stuck, you pretty much have the nutz.
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07-03-2017 , 02:46 PM
i usually check river to showdown but that could be a leak.. i also like a smaller sizing to make it a mistake to fold Tx but giving ppl that kind of credit might be a leak

i think 100 is good otr
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07-03-2017 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by matzah_ball
Bet flop

Turn bigger

Ship river
Yea gotta shove riv
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07-03-2017 , 03:56 PM
This villain doesn't strike me as someone that folds to alot of cbets, so I would check the flop. I am fine with a turn call or raise here, but I lean more towards calling.This villain has a piece, but we could scare him off betting weaker holdings if we raise, and this raise could keep him from leading the river and folding to a bet. Against this particular villain, I find it more profitable to let them keep the initiative once they start betting.
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07-03-2017 , 05:46 PM
Call turn
Check river
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07-03-2017 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Eholeing
Call turn
Check river


Definitely not
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07-03-2017 , 06:42 PM
NH
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07-03-2017 , 06:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by matzah_ball
Definitely not
I mean what are we getting value from otr? I know op said this guy was a whale but I don't see even the worst of players calling here with worse then qx
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07-04-2017 , 08:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eholeing
I mean what are we getting value from otr? I know op said this guy was a whale but I don't see even the worst of players calling here with worse then qx
what?...
villains will call with much worse, ship all day.
Off the top of my head, worse queens, 10x, 99-77..because the front door flush missed LSNL villains will call with a wide variety of hands. Remember they didn't come here to play GTO poker, they came to have a good time and folding is not a good time.
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07-04-2017 , 11:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdr0317

Action: I have K Q BTN. I raise to 15, both villains calls
Flop (45) T 6 3 , Checks to me, and I elect to check
Why raise pref and check OTF? - (seems LOL to me)

Last edited by outdonked; 07-04-2017 at 12:06 PM.
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07-04-2017 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by outdonked
Why raise pref and check OTF? - (seems LOL to me)
Seems like the nut "better hands call, worse hands fold" hand on this board, so I elected to check vs try to cbet 3 ways when 1 guy has practically no fold button on the flop.

I could get behind betting simply because everyone is bad and a 20-25 bet buys me a turn and river. But I'm not a fan of cbetting my whiffed overs 100% (since I'm going to have whiffed overs a ton).
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07-04-2017 , 05:34 PM
yall are playing in some nit fest game if this is a standard cbet 4way OTF, wp OP
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