$500 eff, 6-handed. Hero has ATo in BB. V1 fish limps in UTG, V2 in CO (new to table, no read) makes it $20. Hero calls $15, fish calls.

Flop: T85r Pot ~ $60

You, why and please provide a plan for future streets.

Fold pre. Worst hand ever OOP.

Yup, fold pre.

Donking $40-45 here. We want to get the fish involved too. If we check to the raiser, He bets then we call the fish see that as they don't have much chance. When we lead it makes our hand harder to read and fish can call with weaker TP, middle pair, or draws because if we had a strong hand we should be check raising. Having the fish in the middle of the action is perfect for us

6-handed? Disagree.

yes, even 6 handed.

anyways, check call, play the hand passively. most of your value is going to come from bluffs / overly light bets

No. The effect of playing oop really isn't mitigated that much by going from 9 to 6 players when you're in the BB because you are still GUARANTEED to play oop with a hand that could certainly be dominated and isn't likely to make nut hands. And you can't win the blinds by calling.

Going from 9 to 6 does matter more when you're in say, second position, because now there's a pretty good chance you'll get people to fold, you will raise, you might win the blinds, you can c-bet, you may play the hand in position, and you certainly could have the best hand.

I would fold ATo with nobody else in hand. Your facing an unknown villain so playing this post flop will be even harder then usual, your OOP and your just barely getting the odds to call. I would want ATs and another villain or two in hand before I'm happy calling here.

As played, check flop. Call one c-bet and plan to check/evaluate turn. There isn't really much you want to see here, your hoping to get to river cheaply unless you hand improves. Hitting two pair or trips is the only time you can get aggressive here. Donking is also a viable option, that will mostly fold out the hands you beat and get called by TX and better so play carefully on turn if you go that way but it clarifies your situation more.

To everyone saying fold pre you are the exact reason I love playing live shorthanded games. Even out of position we are ahead of CO range and with a fish in the hand. Are you only playing AJ+ six handed? You will get destroyed trying. Remember at this table it's costing you over $1 to play a hand. This is closer to a 3! pre than it is a fold to me. Only reason I would choose not to is to keep the fish in the hand.

fold or 3 bet pre. as played x/c.

You probably dont want to play this guy any-handed.

So what's your calling range out of the BB in a 6 handed game snowball?

Tbh, with a new guy that I have no reads on, I usually fold pretty tight until I know his game better.
If I were to call with AT oop it would be because I know I can outplay him post flop or get value from him, which is not the case here. When you play shorthanded you get reads faster anyways.

I dont really have a firm calling range for 6 or full ring.

There are villains I would raise here, but against an unknown OOP this is just too likely to go bad. At this point hero has no idea what villain's range is. If villain is not adjusting to being short and playing a tight range, he has ATo crushed more then not. If he is laggy and adjusting by playing even wider, we could be significantly ahead of his range. There is just no way to know yet. Combined with having to play this OOP and having no idea if we are ahead or behind when we catch one pair, this just isn't going to be profitable against an unknown villain.

You do realize ATo is worth more 6-handed, than 9-handed, right?

Yeah the answers seem way too nitty.

Easy fold pre-flop

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Can you explain why it's true?

Once you do that, you'll realize it's still a fold and why the differences between a 6-handed and a 9-handed table have NOTHING to do with this hand.

In fact, your hand could have been played at a 9-, 6-, or 4- handed table and the "value" of ATo wouldn't have changed at all.

You're facing a CO open. Think about it.

It doesn't make a difference.

V is opening from CO.

There's CO, BTN, SB, and BB in this hand.

It's a 4-handed table.

Or a 6-handed table after two folds.

Or a 9-handed table after five folds.

Those are all the same.

You realize why you rationalization is wrong right? That's like saying he's not cut off but UTG+2 so his range must be stronger lol. Saying the odds don't change for someone to be dealt a monster as the number of people increases. It does matter, and it does change. You sir are using flawed logic.

This is live poker. People don't just start raising Q6o because they are in LP. 95% of the player pool raises the exact same hands they would raise at a 9 or 10-handed table.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

A 4-handed table starts with 4 players. 4 players remain.

If a 6-handed table has 2 folds from the first 2 players, 4 players remain.

If a 9-handed table has 5 folds from the first 5 players, 4 players remain.

Those tables started with a different number of players, but after the folds, they are now exactly the same (with maybe a like imperceptible 1% difference due to the effect of card removal when people fold generally worse cards on the larger tables).

Ok, think about this..... What are the odds at a nine person table that some is dealt 2 aces? The first 5 don't have 2 aces, does that change that odds for the last 4? No. OK now what about at a 6 handed table? Odds go down, absolute hand strength goes up for weaker holdings as a result. Do the math.....

People still mostly raise the same hands they would at a full table. This is not online poker.

Look, no ****ing **** that hand values vary at different table sizes.

You're really missing the point.

OP is saying that the fact this is a 6-handed table has some effect on this hand.

It does not. It's actually a totally ridiculous assertion to say this might be a call 6-handed but maybe not 9-handed, etc.

These are all the same scenario and ATo has the same strength:
9-handed table, 5 folds, villain opens, hero calls in BB.
6-handed table, 2 folds, villain opens, hero calls in BB.
4-handed table, villain opens first to act, hero calls in BB.