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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
The hand looks ok, with 3 callers I would 3bet slightly more pre to around 125/150.
I wouldn't be raising the flop. Calling was fine.
He bet 450 into 650 ott, which was fine to call.
Otr it's 1200 into 1500 which is a large bet after the jack paired. Without knowing much about him and being in a big 3bet pot, folding was fine imho. He still has sets and maybe AJs in his range, I usually look at it like this: We 3bet pretty big pre, so aces are in our range (if we're unknown to him) but he's till bet/bet/betting.
Edit: FWIW, we don't usually post results for 24 hours to get unbiased responses.
Flop is 125 into 407, 2 callers, turn 450 into 892, 2 callers, river is 1,200 into 2,132.
River is a nightmarish spot. LJ leads and HJ calls, UTG still behind, potentially all the sets are in villains' ranges. J9s, T8s, 97s all get there on the turn, and clearly all of those can be in HJ's range at least.
On thing that is interesting is that clubs didn't get there. The flop donk doesn't necessarily represent a very strong hand. Clubs missed, 65s missed 98s missed T9s missed, 86s missed. There are lots of things both players can have. FWIW, when LJ donks flop and then HJ bets turn after LJ donked flop, HJ's range is weak and this line is overstabbed. LJ just having a jack though is very reasonable.
I would definitely have AJs, KJs in my range, and at least partials of QJs, JTs. Maybe 9c9x, but that is sketchy on the flop. Maybe some 77 too. So we have better hands to call river with. We probably have to overfold river, but that is kind of the problem with it being multiway. I don't mind folding anything less than Jx on river. Overpairs with a club are mandatory folds imo. Technically you have the best suit of QQ, blocking all the QJs, but honestly villains might be as wide as QJo. Still, it is something to consider.
Preflop I would make it 125-140.
It sucks when players without a clue donk and it ends up likely costing both you and them money. Sometimes I just don't think anything can be done when due to live multiway nonsense.