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2/5 NL 4 way facing  00 River bet with QQ 2/5 NL 4 way facing  00 River bet with QQ

11-27-2023 , 12:36 PM
UTG+1 opens to $25
LJ calls
HJ calls
Hero on Button with QdQs- I chose to 3 bet to $100

all 3 call
Flop is Jc7d4c- UTG checks, LJ leads for $125, HJ calls, I chose to just call(both players were kind of splashy, specifically HJ. Hindsight wish I'd have raise). UTG folds
Turn is 9h- LJ checks, HJ bets $450, I call, LJ calls
River is Jh, LJ checks, HJ bets $1200, i fold , LJ folds

HJ shows 6s8s

Fire away with where i messed up
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11-27-2023 , 12:39 PM
I was 400bbs, HJ was 400BBs, LJ was 200bbs
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11-27-2023 , 01:38 PM
The hand looks ok, with 3 callers I would 3bet slightly more pre to around 125/150.

I wouldn't be raising the flop. Calling was fine.

He bet 450 into 650 ott, which was fine to call.

Otr it's 1200 into 1500 which is a large bet after the jack paired. Without knowing much about him and being in a big 3bet pot, folding was fine imho. He still has sets and maybe AJs in his range, I usually look at it like this: We 3bet pretty big pre, so aces are in our range (if we're unknown to him) but he's till bet/bet/betting.

Edit: FWIW, we don't usually post results for 24 hours to get unbiased responses.
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11-27-2023 , 01:44 PM
Thanks for your reply

Probably why I didn't raise- little strange to be lead into a 3 bet pot on that board- figured just calling was fine in case up against sets
And then to be leading turn and blasting river into 2 players- don't see players bluffing in that spot often

Player was definitively an action player- he was in there with a wide range of hands - I kind of just chalked it up to "he made a good play", god bless and moved on
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11-27-2023 , 03:04 PM
The only thing that I would have done differently is raising bigger preflop, like 125-150.

Just make a note that V is capable of such wild plays and move on.
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11-27-2023 , 03:56 PM
Great, thanks.
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11-29-2023 , 05:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Playbig2000
The hand looks ok, with 3 callers I would 3bet slightly more pre to around 125/150.

I wouldn't be raising the flop. Calling was fine.

He bet 450 into 650 ott, which was fine to call.

Otr it's 1200 into 1500 which is a large bet after the jack paired. Without knowing much about him and being in a big 3bet pot, folding was fine imho. He still has sets and maybe AJs in his range, I usually look at it like this: We 3bet pretty big pre, so aces are in our range (if we're unknown to him) but he's till bet/bet/betting.

Edit: FWIW, we don't usually post results for 24 hours to get unbiased responses.
Flop is 125 into 407, 2 callers, turn 450 into 892, 2 callers, river is 1,200 into 2,132.

River is a nightmarish spot. LJ leads and HJ calls, UTG still behind, potentially all the sets are in villains' ranges. J9s, T8s, 97s all get there on the turn, and clearly all of those can be in HJ's range at least.

On thing that is interesting is that clubs didn't get there. The flop donk doesn't necessarily represent a very strong hand. Clubs missed, 65s missed 98s missed T9s missed, 86s missed. There are lots of things both players can have. FWIW, when LJ donks flop and then HJ bets turn after LJ donked flop, HJ's range is weak and this line is overstabbed. LJ just having a jack though is very reasonable.

I would definitely have AJs, KJs in my range, and at least partials of QJs, JTs. Maybe 9c9x, but that is sketchy on the flop. Maybe some 77 too. So we have better hands to call river with. We probably have to overfold river, but that is kind of the problem with it being multiway. I don't mind folding anything less than Jx on river. Overpairs with a club are mandatory folds imo. Technically you have the best suit of QQ, blocking all the QJs, but honestly villains might be as wide as QJo. Still, it is something to consider.

Preflop I would make it 125-140.

It sucks when players without a clue donk and it ends up likely costing both you and them money. Sometimes I just don't think anything can be done when due to live multiway nonsense.
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11-29-2023 , 12:39 PM
Raise bigger pre. At least 5x, more if the opponents are splashy-spewy.

Flop - donk-lead from a field caller on this board is super-fishy. HJ is pretty capped here. Odds are he's got a weak top pair or some sort of draw and wants to set his own price to chase. With an over-pair, I raise, 5x the bet.

That would probably end the hand. If it doesn't, HJ is probably giving up and checking to us on the turn. We can over-bet pot. HJ should fold.

If HJ doesn't fold, and jams river from up front, I think we have to call on this run-out. If he's got Jx, or T8, or a boat, he's just getting paid.
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11-29-2023 , 03:01 PM
PF and flop imo.

PF larger and I would raise the flop big especially vs splashy players.
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11-29-2023 , 05:23 PM
You were right to fold. It's a good bluff. That said, people playing this garbage don't last, they lose a ton of money and stop playing. It's why the game doesn't really grow.
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11-30-2023 , 07:31 AM
Get more value pre versus splashy players with a bigger value 3bet sizing.

Get more value on flop by raising flop versus a splash player's small donkbets and another splashy player's call versus small donkbets.

Basically, you are missing out on a lot of value on the early streets.

We shouldn't really care about the later street play because later streets big pots don't come up much.

You need to fix your early street play because you play early street poker way more than late street poker.

And it seems like you are really bad at getting value on the early streets.
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