Your hand is very vulnerable 6 way, i’d be close to check/folding on the flop, maybe in your case a c/call is fine but in no way im check/raising here.

You have a very marginal hand with low chances of improving, c/call, see a turn re-evaluate. 6 way continuing ranges should be incredibly tight, like AA is a snap fold here and 45 is pretty close.

As played this is a pretty easy fold, pro or not. Unless this guy is going allin on every flop, im not paying him.

Fold pre. Like do it anyway, but esp. do it when "the pro" is on your direct left on the BTN and you think he'll be playing wide and being agro. unafraid to put 300bb in.


Don't check raise your entire continuing range, this kind of hand seems the worst as you should be ahead of most of the range that V stabs but vs. the range that wants to put lots of money in your hand is not good.

Having an aggressive player and possibly erratic player on your left 300 bb deep is a recipe for disaster.

You needed 44.5% to call it. Hard to think of a range with enough BS from V where you had it with bottom 2. Though, tbf, my first instinct was call. Even assuming V wasn't lying to you, A6s is either a 52 or 50% vs you. I kind of want more, in a non-tournament setting, than a 5.5-7.5% EV when I'm getting ready to blast off nearly 300 bigs. Best case.

Reading, and re-reading the HH, consider whether you were giving off a vibe that would make this 'pro' feel like setting up this kind of multi-hand dynamic would be worthwhile. I think there's a non-trivial chance of it.

I don't hate the pf call in a single-raised, large MW pot, where you're OOP to only one player. Bet/folding or calling, depending, beats the snot out of c-raising this player type, IMHO. Good fold.

Idk man, maybe this is just GTO brain or something, but who is betting 1400 into a $475 pot with 86/77? Is that what yall are seeing in these spots?

Its usually not a 3 bet spot, but a raise, but any time its like $50 pot, someone bets $40 and younger guy jams overtop dor $500 or whatsver its ALWAYS a draw. Ive never seen it be value. You guys are scared of this guy playing like the computer.
Completely agree that he mightve set you up, which would be my biggest concern, if i hadnt see him do it before id have a much easier time calling.

This is true, I've even done this way too many times, before I realized how unbalanced it was, and the thinking is generally like:

V has bet and can fold, but I have a great draw that never wants to fold before the river and isn't doing that bad even vs. the nuts ... so shove is good I guess?

...where when you have the nuts you don't often want to get folds, so you think more about how to get the money in without V folding.


This ISN'T that spot though, V bet big and got x/r so fold equity is much lower and vs. a lot of people it will be near 0%. Now it's much more likely V calls good draws (3 SPR behind if he calls and he is IP) and just ships it with 86 before any scare cards hit.

just dont understand the desire to put in 300 bb with a hand thats crushed by any made hand he can have and flipping vs any reasonable draw hes going to put it in with. this goes for both the xr and then calling it off. is probably the worst hand you can possibly have here range wise to raise the flop so would fairly happily fold and (maybe?) call with sets. all the whatever about him being a pro, did he set me up, people saying hi to him, him berating people is noise. there really isnt anything actionable there so i dont get the point of focusing on it.

like look at the board, its hard to find many boards where bottom 2 is worth less on both in terms of hand stregnth and how its going to play on subsequent runouts.

If he had A6 with a flush draw, you were dead even, so obviously a profitable call with dead money. The thing is you are badly crushed by any made hand, so he doesn't need to have one often for it to be a bad call.

I don't like the preflop call or checkraising the pot sized bet 5-way.

you should 3b pre or fold (there is enough money in the middle to make it worth it, and you will generally just win the $75-$90 pre) Also if you get 4b you can easily call as long as it's heads up as long as he 4b a reasonable amount. This hand won't play well 4+ multiway and is almost always dominated when a lot of money goes in, unless you flop the nut straight. As played you are raising into an upcapped range which isn't ideal. Also that pro - who claimed to have A6s should be 3b or fold his hand too, and his jam isn't great if that's what he had. He doesn't really need to raise often because he has position, and if he wants to raise, he should make it like $400-$500 so he has a few problems that would seem like he isn't a very good "pro".

It was a small x/r by a guy he thinks is a nit, probably a guy he thinks might fold bottom set. But most of the time I dont think much thought goes into the FE part of the equation, its just “if he folds, yay! If he calls, no harm no foul! Its a no loss proposition!” (Except it is because youre wasting one of your valuable hands)z

Thats why the timing of the jam is so important. He “waited a few seconds”. He didnt think it thru, he didnt think “ok ive set this guy up to call a jam, ive got 86 here and i think i can get max value from his 2 pairs by jamming rather than calling or 3 betting”. He didnt think “hmm, this rock check raised me, i dont think i have a lot of FE here so i should just call”, he thought “hurr durr combo draw lets rock”

flop 3bet is always a bluff, snap

It is usually a draw, but if it is a made hand 15% of the time you can't call.