2/5 NL, $300 max BI, table semi-loose passive, but new villains are constantly raising pre.

Villain: BB, ~$800, Indian (Asian) man in his late 50s. Seen him raise pre with ATo OOP and firing all streets when he hits. Pre range is rather wide, wider than mine.

Hero: MP with KK, over $500, young dude turning 23, hasn't continuously brought A-game earlier and in for over $700 currently. TAG, but played a tiny looser/weaker in past couple orbits due to possible tilting and board textures. Showed down AK in a preflop AI earlier and won with river K (supposedly against TT who didn't show).

Actions:
1. Everyone except 1 person limps to me. I limp along because 95% of time BTN, SB, or villain (BB) raises pre and at least one of them will surely fire at this limped pot.
2. No surprise, BTN raises to $20... that's right, ONLY $20 with 4-5 limpers already in.
3. $20 is CALLED by EVERYBODY still in the hand, including villain.
4. I make it $165, I have NEVER limped-raised before; folds to villain...
5. Villain 4-bet raises to $350 after CALLING a 2-bet!!!
6. Folds to hero...

?????????????????????? WTF.....................

The hand from bizarro-world

Snap shove

Fist pump shove, if he has AA then he played it terribly and just coolered you, I don't see how this can ever be a fold, especially considering how much of your stack you have already put in the pot.

I've seen something similar before. He thinks you are just trying to steal the dead money, and is making a move back at you with something like 66-TT. No way this is aces, imo.

+1

This can VERY rarely be AA. If he has, he has it, send your money to the middle.

You should just be the original raiser. Make it $35. After you limp and the BTN raises to $20, there are what, 4 calls? You have 100bb and over $100 in the pot already. I'd just 3bet shove all in. Either that or $200/shove any flop. As played, snap. Dunno why these hands are posted so often, pretty obvious he had AA and you are trying to find an excuse to fold, sorry.

+1. i do what villain did in this sit all the time, mostly bc regular 1/2 and 2/5 players I run into aren't as good as you. very odd to see a person limp in your spot then 3bet, although it is a good move given the knowledge you stated.

snap call, probably has 66-99 IMO.

Shove it to his face.
If it is AA, make a note and get your chips back later/next session. A player like this moron will donate them back to you sooner or later.

guy obviously has aces since young dude would never post the thread if he doesn't have aces.

Trivial call. Expect to see an underpair most of the time, though he could have had the same plan as you, so AA is in his range.

So what soots were villains acez??

I like the l/rr. Demonstrates your 2nd level thinking. Snap shove and tip your hat if he shows down AA. More often then not you are against AK or 99-QQ.

It may be a felony to not shove here. You realise that KK is meant to pay off AA every now and then. You will certainly get your due, as we all do.

*Grunch
It's not often u can find the place to fold Kk pre 100 bb deep @casino 2/5. This certainly isn't it.

Pop "Shove" it.

Easy shove, your move looks a lot like a steal attempt... V's range is huge - ATs+, 88+, sometimes weird hands like KJo or worse.

I was gonna post a grunch post, but OP tilted me. This sums it up nicely.

Noob - who/what is grunch?

Gandwhatswiththisbit?G

grunch - the short answer
when you respond to a post withour reading any of the replies
It was a previous challenge by "grunch" to respond to posts before being influenced by others. This does so much more to help improvement as compared to a "+1" reply.
To highlight that no other responses were read and give credit to grunch for the push, many start their replies with the word, "grunch"

Cheers

Gandthissummarybit,what'sthisabout?G

your plan worked perfectly. put the chips in.

This isn't even close... get it in fist pump shove!

well played.

lol, thanks for the responses guys. I really like how there's two distinct "schools" of thought. Most think it's an obvious shove but some think villain has AA. Where you fall likely depends on how you play. What I don't think I can do here is call cuz I'm either way ahead or behind, so only shove or fold makes sense.

From an objective perspective, both shove and fold is fine depending on your style and experiences in prior encounters. I in this particular instance, gave the villain enough respect to NOT put him on AA because I think it'd be horrible to flat a raise with AA and have only limpers behind to act. I think the villain did what HE THOUGHT I DID by attempting a steal, so I shoved without any hesitation.

Villain insta-calls...

It's customary at this casino for all-ins to not showdown till all streets are dealt, but villain breaks decorum and lifts up his cards to show AA. I of course and flips over my KK while the guy next to me says he folded a K...

Alas, the dealer spikes a J K 4 flop and I catch my 1-outer, but of course nothing comes easy and turn was a Q giving him 6 outs on the river. River was another 4. All's well that ends well and I take down the biggest pot in my poker days so far, and fwiw, it's my 2nd time playing 2/5, last week being first.

I'm not sure what to get outta this hand, am I ever folding in that situation? If I were to do it again, I think I'd still shove. But I will fully consider all possibilities when putting villains on a range in the future.










yep

just bink a King

(grunched, btw)