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2/5 Nit raises turn vs flopped flush 2/5 Nit raises turn vs flopped flush

10-06-2014 , 10:30 AM
Hero has been at the table for a couple hours and built up a $2700 stack mostly by playing value hands vs the calling stations at the table. Has played very aggressive in the past around villain, so should have a non nit image.

Villain is big nit, only plays premiums preflop, but earlier she did get in $1000 with QQ in a 3bet pot on 6TTr3 where she bet/called flop and check/jammed turn. Lost to KK.

We've had a full table but people are walking around. 6 handed. Hero opens UTG to $25 with 7T. This is not a normal open for me, felt like it would still get the respect of an UTG open despite being more like MP. Still not great.

3 callers, including villain in the BB. We are 1k effective with villain.
Flop: 29A ($100)
Checks to me, I bet $75, villain only caller.
Turn: 6 ($250)
Villain checks, I bet $165, villain raises to $400 with $300 behind
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10-06-2014 , 10:39 AM
GII
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10-06-2014 , 10:43 AM
With a nit in the hand I would bet more on the Flop and then call down non-heart Rivers after checking down the Turn. Nit as 4th caller in BB opens up range for broadway cards. I hate giving nits chips .. as they don't come back!! With a PSB on Flop against multiple opponents we find out in a hurry where the 4 flush chasers are hiding out at and we don't want to domino any of them into the pot cheaply either.

Turn is spew if she is already there and why bloat a pot with what you admit was a questionable holding to begin with. Does she do this with 'only' Kh or made flush or can she think she needs to protect her AxXh? You did UTG open, does she respect that or not?

Larger Flop bet, check Turn and call most Rivers, maybe even some hearts. GL
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10-06-2014 , 11:04 AM
With her snug range preflop and the Ah on the board, there are only about 3 flopped flushes she can have (KQ, QJ, KJ.) There are 3 combos each of 99 and 22. There could be some AxKh in there too. Get it in.
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10-06-2014 , 11:53 AM
Don't pay off the nit.

Period.

Full stop.
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10-06-2014 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Troyble
With her snug range preflop and the Ah on the board, there are only about 3 flopped flushes she can have (KQ, QJ, KJ.) There are 3 combos each of 99 and 22. There could be some AxKh in there too. Get it in.
KQs is like 98% of her range.
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10-06-2014 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Lapidator
KQs is like 98% of her range.
How do you think she plays 999 then?

Keep in mind OP has played "very aggressively" with her in the past, she only makes about 1 set every 3-4 hours, and nits love sets.
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10-06-2014 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Troyble
How do you think she plays 999 then?

Keep in mind OP has played "very aggressively" with her in the past, she only makes about 1 set every 3-4 hours, and nits love sets.
I think she flats turn with a set of nines and hopes the river pairs, but probably still calls down unless it goes 4flush
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10-06-2014 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Ranma4703
I think she flats turn with a set of nines and hopes the river pairs, but probably still calls down unless it goes 4flush
Ok... Bet/fold it is then.
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10-06-2014 , 02:19 PM
Get it in...

and then raise her ;p
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10-06-2014 , 03:11 PM
If your read on V is correct and she is a nit, then I'm 99% certain she does not raise a set on a monotone flop.

Also,

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Originally Posted by answer20
I hate giving nits chips .. as they don't come back!!
You run a serious risk of the nit ratholing those chips if you double her up to 400bb deep. I would be very weary of getting it in against her with the obvious nut, 2nd nut and 3rd nut flush above us.
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10-06-2014 , 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Ranma4703
Hero has been at the table for a couple hours and built up a $2700 stack mostly by playing value hands vs the calling stations at the table. Has played very aggressive in the past around villain, so should have a non nit image.

Villain is big nit, only plays premiums preflop, but earlier she did get in $1000 with QQ in a 3bet pot on 6TTr3 where she bet/called flop and check/jammed turn. Lost to KK.

We've had a full table but people are walking around. 6 handed. Hero opens UTG to $25 with 7T. This is not a normal open for me, felt like it would still get the respect of an UTG open despite being more like MP. Still not great.

3 callers, including villain in the BB. We are 1k effective with villain.
Flop: 29A ($100)
Checks to me, I bet $75, villain only caller.
Turn: 6 ($250)
Villain checks, I bet $165, villain raises to $400 with $300 behind
All in unless you think she would ONLY do this with a flush. However, there typically should be plenty of other non-flush combos in her range... even for a nit.
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10-08-2014 , 12:02 PM
GII now....what other type of hand were you expecting to hit when playing T7hh from UTG....sorry the flop didn't come TT7. I actually do prefer folding this pre though....

Villain might be a nit but as you stated, you have also said your image is that of a "non-nit." she simply won't give you credit for having flopped a flush.
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10-08-2014 , 12:53 PM
she most likely has KQ. She would have raised the flop with sets. she is not floating with 66. she is probably worried about the board paring which is why she raised the turn (this is how nits think).

fold turn

fold pre

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10-08-2014 , 12:59 PM
Fold PRE,

AP, ship
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10-08-2014 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Troyble
With her snug range preflop and the Ah on the board, there are only about 3 flopped flushes she can have (KQ, QJ, KJ.) There are 3 combos each of 99 and 22. There could be some AxKh in there too. Get it in.
Maybe some AA combos too. Some nits love to slowplay/trap their big hands. Some also spaz out in bizarre ways, and she's already shown her ability to spaz with QQ. Both are especially true when someone's been bullying them out of a lot of pots, as it sounds like you have.

Is it possible she's also heard of those aggro kids playing suited connectors and semibluffing and decided she'd try it out? How good is your read that she's a postflop nit as well as a preflop nit?

Barring a better read she's a mega-nit postflop, I can't find a fold here.
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10-08-2014 , 02:34 PM
I'm not folding here ever. Get it in. You crush the nits range. Sure you are going to lose a certain % of the time, but the posters that say it's KQ 99% of the time are flat out wrong.
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10-08-2014 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by paperboyNC
the posters that say it's KQ 99% of the time are flat out wrong.
what? Where did I say it's KQ "99% of the time"??? I said it looks like KQ as what was referred to as a "big nit" usually will not raise a monotone flush board without the nuts with a committing raise.
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10-08-2014 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by paperboyNC
I'm not folding here ever. Get it in. You crush the nits range. Sure you are going to lose a certain % of the time, but the posters that say it's KQ 99% of the time are flat out wrong.
+1, not all nits are created equal (this one seems to overvalue certain hands)
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10-08-2014 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
what? Where did I say it's KQ "99% of the time"??? I said it looks like KQ as what was referred to as a "big nit" usually will not raise a monotone flush board without the nuts with a committing raise.
Lapidator said "KQs is like 98% of her range.". The problem is that you already have a flush and you are focused on what is beating you. If you had AJ in this spot you would view the nit's range totally differently.
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