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07-09-2019 , 04:40 PM
Main villain is a a turkish fun reg who plays both 5/10 and 2/5. Other villain is a young, agresive reg sitting on 12k. Hero is effective stack with 1k.

MP opens to 20 and young pro 3bets to 70 in CO. Hero has AQdd on btn and 4bets to 200. Main villain cold calls from BB. CO calls as well.

Flop (620) : Ah8h6d.

Checks to hero who checks back.

Turn: Qh

SB open shoves for 1k. CO folds. Hero?

MV is in game for about 3k. Lost a a 3 way all in in which he flopped bottom two against a flopped straight, and another player who had a combo draw. Showed down a pot size river bluff w a missed 103ss in a 3bet pot that he took down a few orbits ago.
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07-09-2019 , 04:45 PM
I like the decision to 4 bet and the sizing.

Flop is a mandatory bet imo. I think I'd go $250 here, not a very wet board, but not bone dry.

Turn is a pretty easy call, and even more trivial given flop action.
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07-09-2019 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
I like the decision to 4 bet and the sizing.

Flop is a mandatory bet imo. I think I'd go $250 here, not a very wet board, but not bone dry.

Turn is a pretty easy call, and even more trivial given flop action.
This. Except I'd go a little bigger on flop.

(Assuming MP folded, and SB and BB are the fun Turkish reg )
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07-09-2019 , 04:48 PM
You have top two in a 4bet pot vs. a fun player, seems like a trivial call. You have to pay off AA/QQ given preflop action and he shouldn't have a lot of made flushes.
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07-09-2019 , 04:57 PM
Please explain your atrocious flop check with barely more than 1:1 spr
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07-09-2019 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
This. Except I'd go a little bigger on flop.

(Assuming MP folded, and SB and BB are the fun Turkish reg )
I like the $250 sizing a lot. I don't want to go too small, and I don't think the board is coordinated enough to size up more + $250 sets up great turn shove sizing
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07-09-2019 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Pork Fri Rize
Please explain your atrocious flop check with barely more than 1:1 spr
I agree that a flop bet is necessary at high freq. My thinking was that the BB cold calling range would have/could have smashed this board w sets and strong combo draws and though Id be happy to play for stacks on the pot I wanted to mix in some deception as well as see if there was a clean turn that I would be happy to ship on. I have a lot of hx w the young pro which is why AQs is a mandatory 4bet i think because I know he can be pretty wide in a LP 3bet. Ive played less hnds w the turkish but know that he is a a fun albeit bad reg and I wasnt sure how wide his 4bet cold calling range would be but I figured it include a large amount of PP including 66 - 1010. Hands that after a check might be able to get value from on a clean turn. I think the young pro would have 5bet shipped all his AK and QQ+ so I thought hed be weighted toward pair + fd that would ship any flop bet that I made so I figured a check for deception, pot control at a low frequency would be okay.
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07-09-2019 , 08:22 PM
If you are checking for deception, which I don't like, you definitely have to call now.
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07-09-2019 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
I like the $250 sizing a lot. I don't want to go too small, and I don't think the board is coordinated enough to size up more + $250 sets up great turn shove sizing
$250 is OK, but I like $300. I assume we are never folding on flop, anyway, at least I'm not, but I want them to pay just a little more for any draws.
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07-09-2019 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
If you are checking for deception, which I don't like, you definitely have to call now.
I agree that checking should be done at a low freuqency. Again, I have hx w the young pro and he knows as well I know that his 3bet is wide and ym 4bet is likely wider than usual as well. He would ship any/all draws if I bet the flop given how deep he is; also I thougt that if he did have A9-AQ he would call both turn and river given our hx. The main villain on the other hand I didnt think would have many suited combos in his cold calling range. KQs, 910s, maybe but um he shouldnt right? I block KQs too. I think in a vacuum or against an unknown Im usually just calling the 3bet and likely betting/calling flop bet at a high freq but I like to have strong checks that dont only include top set or two pair. Perhaps it would be better do have more strong checks when deeper but I dont know.
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07-09-2019 , 09:55 PM
Snaps wtf
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07-09-2019 , 10:13 PM
I really can't see him having a flush here. Maybe he has 88, but generally, I think you're good. I could see him having AK with Kh.
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07-09-2019 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by WehrmatsWormhat
I really can't see him having a flush here. Maybe he has 88, but generally, I think you're good. I could see him having AK with Kh.
This fun player who is a 5/10 reg I think autoships all combos of AK @ this stack depth or so I thought.
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07-10-2019 , 12:00 AM
Result:

CO folded and of course I snapped only to be shown 34hh ��. I dont improve. Turkish player wins, then gets called up for 5/10 which was the only tilting compinent lol. I immediately put my name on the list for his table lol but the list was lonnnng. Obviously this was a spazz hand and likely suggests that I need to be betting the flop w/ 100% freq against this player. Sounds like most think the flop check is a huge mistake so perhaps theres no need for deception in this mutliway pot and I should play more straightforward.
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07-10-2019 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Prince_of_Whales
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CO folded and of course I snapped only to be shown 34hh ��. I dont improve. Turkish player wins, then gets called up for 5/10 which was the only tilting compinent lol. I immediately put my name on the list for his table lol but the list was lonnnng. Obviously this was a spazz hand and likely suggests that I need to be betting the flop w/ 100% freq against this player. Sounds like most think the flop check is a huge mistake so perhaps theres no need for deception in this mutliway pot and I should play more straightforward.
Ouch
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07-10-2019 , 01:04 AM
Surprised he had a flush here. I think the population is weighted more towards sets, two pair, and pair + draw here where they tend to go bigger to protect their hand and don't really mind folds
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