If villain plays higher why would he need his helper to help w his decision? I know 100% there was no angle involved in this hand or any hand he has played.

I never claimed there was any angle.

Villain gives u an important tell by asking how much your playing behind, clearly saying he is calling solely for huge implied odds and flopping good and cracking your QQ+. Villain is 26/13 so unless the original raiser is a total nit he's prob 3betting JJ+ and possibly TT so u assigning villain an overpair on the 883 board is superbad.

This clearly gives him a range of suited connectors, small to mid pp's, and AK, AQs, KQs, QJs whatever. Villain is also fairly passive postflop from your small sample size of folding to your cbets and yet you still 3barrell bluff into him when he's clearly setmining or folding with his pp's, folding all his high card hands that don't flop Top pair, and prob calling only the flop bet when he flops a good draw but folding to turn pressure if he doesn't make his hand.

But the flop is about as dry as dry can get on the 883 board. Your only good play is the cbet on the flop and the rest is total spew. You try to create a float range for villain, BUT if villain had a float range in his arsenal he would've floated you before and not folded to every cbet you made before. All u did was create a big pot, get way too caught up in big pot syndrome and make up a range you WISH villain had so u can justify your bets so u can try to somehow win this big pot.

Until u can take in key factors preflop and postflop and accurately assign villain a range and adjust that range as you get more information, i would avoid creating big pots oop without made hands preflop esp with hands that have as much value as AK.

Usage of caps in this post made me LOL.

So, because Villain asks about my stack size I can automatically eliminate all PP's from his range. HMMM, thanks for the advice. I see now why adding spoilers is counter productive.

Good read sir.

I would say shut down. You are playing against someone who isn't the type to put the money in without a decent hand and he checks for implied odds so you know he is playing a small pp or some suited connector. The flop smacks his range and you are literally repping just an overpair. I would be expecting him to show up with a set or something similar here. I think there is a lot that he could fold if you shoved, but we are way ahead way behind here and we should get to showdown because he is very polarized.

Bet 1/3 pot as cbet and give up unimproved

I would call floor as soon as the other guy made any decision

Well I'm just clarifying considering you are questioning someone's integrity on whether he lipped or muttered "fold" and the helper played his hand for him. Just keep in mind the poker community is smaller than you think.

Yeah... OP, the helper is really irrelevant to the hand unless you think something funny is going on. So the fact that you included it is sort of suggestive.

If you read thru this thread I give villain plenty of credit as far as his poker abilities go. I wrote out this hand history soon after this hand went down.

If you notice in OP i say I swear I hear him lip fold. As in I know I was wrong, but at the time, in that moment, I swear I saw his lips say fold. I cannot believe no one has pointed this out as I knew it as I wrote it. How do u hear someone lip fold?

Well I had headphones on, I saw his lips move and thought he said fold. This is how the hand went down in my head so it affected my perception of the hand. I am not inferring I was cheated. I am saying that in my mind there was a split second where I had thought I had won the hand.

I attempted to stop the talk about the helper within this tread. This(/) means end as in over, done, complete, non-issue. I was stacked in this hand by an intelligent villain. That is all. I thought he played it really well. I think he knew before the flop that I was pron to barrel and took advantage of position. I stopped at Parx last to talk about this with him last night, but he was not there. As, far as I am concerned the strategic portion of this thread has been complete for a week now. So this thread is over. Feel free to pm me about it if you feel it to be necessary.