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02-27-2018 , 11:44 PM
Hand from Saturday that has been bothering me.

Hero stack is 2500. been running like god, only flipping over the nuts.

Villain stack is 1200. plays very tight and talks on the phone almost non stop. He says he's visiting from Canada but has a New York accent lol.

Straddle is on for 10 dollars. Hero UTG+1 with AsKh opens to 40. Folds to villain in small blind who calls. heads up to the flop

Flop comes 7h8d7d. villain checks. Hero checks. pot is 95
Turn comes Kc. villain leads out for 150. Hero calls. pot is 395
River comes 10h. villain leads out for 550. hero????
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02-27-2018 , 11:52 PM
Well he checked the flop and overbet the turn and river so that's unusual. If he's tight he should have premiums here primarily. Probably only really losing to AA and chopping AK. Problem is you're not ahead of much. I think I have to look him up on the river. I don't love it, and I can't really range the guy based on the information given and the line he took. Could be AA a lot but I'm a sticky pay-off wizard. I assume you flatted the turn to induce continued action on the river? Well here it is. TPTK for 110 BB's on the river? Sign me up. Looks more bluffy that valuely.
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02-27-2018 , 11:56 PM
I might fold the turn. I'm definitely folding the river. What do you think he puts you on when you make a healthy raise preflop...you check that flop and then you call a turn overbet? He doesnt think you have a FD. Its unlikely you have a 7. Now he pounds the river with a big overbet.

Unless youve seen him make some crazy bluffs....if he plays very tight, he most likely has 88 here. I wouldnt even be surprised to see him show up with AA/KK here.
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02-28-2018 , 12:08 AM
I'm betting this flop heads up. AK is often still the best hand here, but it's vulnerable and I'm protecting my equity. When you check back, and overbets a turn K, alarm bells should be going off. What hands does he think you have when you raise UTG then check back that flop? It sure looks like you have AK, and he is betting big into you when a K turns. He could've checkraised the K, but the overbet donk is still scary. I think you can make a case for folding to this turn bet until you get a stronger read. You said he's playing very tight, so I'm not sure what he calls with pre here that makes sense. AK/KQ/88/77/67s/78s/9Ts/56s/Axdd. And that's a bit of a wide range for calling when you're talking about calling a raise OOP from an UTG raiser. If it's me, you can throw out just about all of those hands except AK, but I don't bet the K, I let you do it.

I think I can slink away from this hand on the turn, and then again on the river if I call turn. If I see some live reads that point towards this being bluffy then I can see calling down, but without that information I'm out.
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02-28-2018 , 12:13 AM
Bet the flop

Possibly call turn, possibly fold. Everyone always puts pfr on AK and he's betting into you when it hits

Folding river

7x is his worst hand basically always
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02-28-2018 , 12:31 AM
This looks like V has QQ (or maybe JJ) most of the time to me. The river bet is sized to get AK to fold. I call river fairly quickly. Certainly though live reads are going to influence play here substantially, both V's read and the vibe you're giving him.

I also would have c-bet the flop like several other posters mentioned. If you c-bet flop and get called then turn is probably checked to H and you can fire or pot control.
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02-28-2018 , 12:51 AM
I agree should have c bet there. In the moment it just felt like the flop hit his range so much harder then mine. I think I leveled myself because once I check flop and call turn its pretty damn obvious I have AK. So I thought he's definitely trying to bluff me, why would he over bet so much if he's got a monster and knows he can extract reasonable amounts of money from me here. About an hour before this hand I over bet a backdoor flush I hit on the river against a different guy and I got paid off. Villain was talking on the phone so I don't know if he noticed but that was running through my mind also. So I don't know In the end I folded and he shows 9 of diamonds, mucks the other card and says I got 9 10 of diamonds. So he probably has Jack 9 here I guess somehow.
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02-28-2018 , 03:40 AM
I understand that you are esentially folding your entire range if you fold river but you are just almost never good here. You said he’s extremely tight, you showed a lot of strength pre and by calling a big turn bet. You beat no value and he’s not bluffing often here.
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02-28-2018 , 04:43 AM
Can't fold turn, definitely fold river.
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02-28-2018 , 06:49 AM
Tough spot.
I've seen some players making bluffs on those kind of boards where you have very few trips+ in your range. His sizing is absolutely polarized. I don't see him playing AA this way. If he is really tight, I see no value hand that makes sense except 88/77.
Your decision OTR is very player dependant imo. If he is the kind of nit who never bluffs, I'm folding. In other cases, I call and expect him to muck a fairly amount of the time. We are on the top of our range, except AA/KK.

Last edited by Streptocoque; 02-28-2018 at 06:56 AM.
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02-28-2018 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by twitcherroo
This looks like V has QQ (or maybe JJ) most of the time to me. The river bet is sized to get AK to fold. I call river fairly quickly. Certainly though live reads are going to influence play here substantially, both V's read and the vibe you're giving him.


This makes zero sense
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02-28-2018 , 08:37 AM
Homey D clown nailed it :-)
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