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05-08-2011 , 03:43 PM
2/5 fulltable, i had 1000 stack, villain asian, tight, 500 stack.

UTG +1 limp, villain on utg+2 raise to 30, i'm next to him call with AQ offsuit, fold around, limper calls 3 ways ($95)

flop AK5 Rainbow, limper chk, villain bet 45, i flat, limper folded. (185)

turned 5, villain chk, i chk behind fingure i maybe able to milk out a bit more on river by chking turn.

river Q, villain bets 50, i thought about calling, but that wasting hand value just stuck in my mind so i raise to 150, he tanked, all ined another 250 on top......

please help me break down the hand and walk it through, help me make clear what should i have done?
Should I even bother raise on river?
Now that I face 3bet all in on river, it is a fold now right? Because I'm just not beating anything other than KQ which I think would just flat the raise...
Reason why i didn't put him on qq is because i think with ak on flop, he would just chk knowing i'm tight also.
Also i didn't put him on kk because even though it turned a boat on turn, but you would bet the turn do your best to build the pot knowing I at least have a ace in hand right?

anyway, i sucked completely, think i was just tired brain can't function well.
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05-08-2011 , 03:51 PM
U need to fold now.. Not sure why you're calling pf but w/e.. Villain seems like he is either value betting u to call with weaker Ax or block betting and folding to raises.. So either way raising is bad.

Prob call the 50 and lose to KK
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05-08-2011 , 04:02 PM
Definitely beat here.

Turn check was to induce a bet, and he bet small on river, figured you don't have much. Tight villains make small value bets, hoping to get paid off without scaring away opponents.
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05-08-2011 , 04:17 PM
I think it's a mistake to check the turn and raise river...

Smallish bet on the flop is fishy, check the turn is even fishier...
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05-08-2011 , 04:41 PM
I don't like the river raise at all, what can he call with that you beat? You checked to induce a river bet, so call his river bet, and if he has you beat then you lost the minimum.
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05-08-2011 , 05:03 PM
Since he wont reraise you with a naked ace, the raise does nothing but turn your hand into a bluff catcher
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05-08-2011 , 05:08 PM
Also the fact that you flatted the flop, checked the turn, then 3x raised the river is representing a lot of strength. So for him to re-pop you on the river must mean that he has near-nuts.
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05-08-2011 , 05:09 PM
River raise is fine. You lose to AK/AA/KK. A 5 isn't in his range if he really is tight. He might call with AJ/AT figuring a chop.

Most tight players wont raise here with AK...So I definitely fold...but the raise is okay as you beat half his range.
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05-08-2011 , 05:11 PM
lol why would he call with AJ/AT EVER, if so, god lol live players.
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05-08-2011 , 05:20 PM
When a tight player raises from UTG+2, fold AQo. AQs, I call.
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05-08-2011 , 05:22 PM
next time you post a hand like this, please cut off the action after the villians river bet. I think you're slaughtered now, and folding to his river 3bet is trivial, IMO. Not that I am doubting the above posters unanimous condemnation of your raise, but I think you'd have a more open, spirited discussion about that decision without revealing you got 3bet. It's virtually the same as posting results.
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05-08-2011 , 05:36 PM
I fold pre too. AQo is such a trouble hand against tight opening ranges from EP that I'd rather stay away from it all together.

As played, I flat river. As played on river, I fold.
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05-08-2011 , 06:11 PM
If Villain is indeed "tight", I would fold pre. I like the check behind on the turn. River, I would just call. I dont see anything that you are beating that will call a raise on the river.
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05-08-2011 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by borderline
lol why would he call with AJ/AT EVER, if so, god lol live players.
Because he thinks he'll chop with a king kicker and another pair.
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