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2/5  LJ vs BB 120BB line check 2/5  LJ vs BB 120BB line check

03-21-2014 , 03:48 PM
Villain is mid-thirties African-American reg, on a rush and chipped up to about $1100 from 6ish since I sat an hour ago. Coolered another reg. Has limp-called about 33% of pots he enters.

I am 20s white dude with headphones hoodie etc haven't shown any hands down as of yet, in for $600.

I open AJss in LJ $20, folds to V in BB calls.

Flop ($40): Jc 5d 3d

V c, I bet 30, V c/r 105, I flat.

Turn ($250): Qc

V leads $250. I shove for $475 total.

Thoughts?
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03-21-2014 , 04:08 PM
I think you are beat most of the time. V probably has JdXd at worst. Range includes AQd, sets and overpairs. Although on a rush, I dont think V gets careless here very often without a massive draw. A c/r followed by a 'standard' lead on Turn is a pretty strong line ... maybe he had 4d6d/Ad2d?? Against similar players I wouldve expected a c/c on the Turn with this card .. or c/shove. With a ton of history I might consider being ahead of a bigger range of hands.

He is playing at an opponent who 'hasnt shown down a hand in an hour' ... might be something I'm missing but I would expect one big old ... "DAMN" ... if he see you called him down with that hand. GL
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03-21-2014 , 04:10 PM
As far as AP ... I think you did fine except the raise on the Turn. You have to have a pretty good read on someone not to respect a c/r and lead when an overcard hits the board IMO.

There is a 2nd flush draw also ... I think he has a flush draw with the QdXd .. GL
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03-21-2014 , 04:17 PM
Flop fine...fold turn, with your shove your giving him over 4:1 which is approx BE if he has a naked fd (his cr b line is way stronger than a naked fd, -ev to sove turn lead).
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03-21-2014 , 07:17 PM
You showed strength on the flop and he nuked the turn. I fold there. Can't really imagine him doing this with a naked FD. I have never seen a bet like that with a FD in my life.
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03-21-2014 , 07:52 PM
When he pots it do you really think he folds for another $250? Very typical set, two pair...and maybe a pair plus draw.
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03-21-2014 , 11:27 PM
Would've mucked to flop c/r. Villain description is that of a passive player. The c/r is almost always a big hand, sometimes a big draw, rarely a worse hand owning itself (KJ), and very rarely a bluff.
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03-22-2014 , 02:26 AM
Your question is completely read dependent. Would need so much more info on V other than he is an African American male who coolered a reg.

Is competent? Aggro? How have you seen him play draws? Made hands? What is his range calling from the blinds? How is his sizing?

Sizing alone should make the flop c/r a fold. Unless he is aggro with good sizing. He's setting up to play for stacks.

Turn seems a standard fold once he pots it.

You have to put a bunch of draws in his range here and due to stack sizes if my math is right you can't deny him proper odds of hitting his flush.

Last edited by jsmo0th10; 03-22-2014 at 02:42 AM.
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03-22-2014 , 03:28 AM
Super terrible.
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03-22-2014 , 08:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsmo0th10

You have to put a bunch of draws in his range here and due to stack sizes if my math is right you can't deny him proper odds of hitting his flush.
I asked a question similar to this in Theory sub recently - whether you can manufacture odds by raising or betting an amount that, if your opponent shoves, gives you correct odds to draw.

The answer was no. Same situation here, if we always fold turn to a PSB then V ends up with a range polarized to sets and FD relying on FE and initiative after the flop c/r. There are many, many more pair+FD combos, AdXd with straight flush possibilities, than there are middle/bottom set on this board.

If this were 1/2, stacks were $240 effective and V led turn for $100, I think we'd see some different responses.
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03-22-2014 , 09:38 AM
I don't like the play...really need more info on Villain's calling ranges preflop though.

Seems like a passive player given V's description and now he's showing aggression on both flop and turn.
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03-22-2014 , 10:08 AM
Only ahead of Jxdd.. Would fold turn without much thought vs described villain. Unless there's missing info in op.
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